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I never got that from the poem-- the traveler finds the ruin of a great and long-vanished civilization. He doesn't know how long that civilization endured, nor how epic the achievements of Ozymandias may have been. All he knows is that Ozymandias and his works are *now* one with the dust of history.

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I'd call that a serious misreading of the poem. If the point is not "all that is mortal must perish" then what is it? "He had a great run but he's been dead for centuries"? Hm. Considerable loss of impact.

For those unfamiliar -- here's the poem in question:

I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert... Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal these words appear:
My name is Ozymandius, King of Kings,
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.


                                              Percy Bysshe Shelley

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Thank you for answering my Hulk question true believers. I agree with all the answers too. The Hulk is like an elemental force!
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I'm glad to see the text of this poem; I think I last read it in freshman English back in college. Entirely possible I'm misremembering its intent.

From what I read online, it seems Shelley associated Ozymandias with Ramses II, who had quite a time as pharaoh in ancient Egypt. The arrogance of power certainly meshes well with Adrian Veidt.

Off on a tangent: Something that struck me in the last few days-- have the creators of characters ever told "a story that should never be told"? I'm sure there are examples out there but am curious if anyone can recall any.

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Well, if a married Spider-Man is one of the "never to be told" stories, then Stan Lee told it in the syndicated newspaper strip.


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A newspaper strip is not a comic book. It has different rules and needs.

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A newspaper strip is not a comic book. It has different rules and needs.

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 Andrew Bitner wrote:
Something that struck me in the last few days-- have the creators of characters ever told "a story that should never be told"? I'm sure there are examples out there but am curious if anyone can recall any.


Greg - Where in Andrew's question does it say that it had to be in a comic book?
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Does anyone here actually LIKE the marriages of Superman and Peter Parker?

Spidey as a husband seems a set-up for an inevitable spouse death, probably at the hands of whomever is the "Goblin of the week". I see the Superman wedding as something that would be fodder for a one-issue of Julius Scwartz-era Lois Lane, not a logical part of continuity.

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I LOVE the Spider-Marriage. It's been in place since I started reading and I disagree with your proposal that the marriage seems a set-up for Mary Jane's murder. If she hasn't been killed in twenty years, it hardly seems inevitable. Mary Jane was, when I was growing up, a great supporting character, and I thought it was great that Peter Parker had someone he could confide in about his alter-ego. It also seemed to say to me that even if you were an isolated, bookish teenager, that you might still be able to grow up to become a healthy, well-adjusted, and successfully married adult.
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Does anyone here actually LIKE the marriages of Superman and Peter Parker?

Spidey as a husband seems a set-up for an inevitable spouse death, probably at the hands of whomever is the "Goblin of the week". I see the Superman wedding as something that would be fodder for a one-issue of Julius Scwartz-era Lois Lane, not a logical part of continuity.

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I agree with you Kevin but it could boil down to personal taste.
For me I lost some interest in Spider-Man when he no longer washed his costume in his bathroom sink to get the soot stains out of it before his college class that after noon. The single, secret, lonely adventurer was what I grew up with.
Maybe more recent and newer comic book readers have no problem with him being married and unmasked?
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Well, if a married Spider-Man is one of the "never to be told" stories, then Stan Lee told it in the syndicated newspaper strip.

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And he was really surprised when it "slopped over" into the comics. Stan was writing the strip, at the time, as a soap opera, and he felt having Peter and MJ older and married would better serve that purpose. He didn't expect the comics to follow his "lead".

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Does anyone here actually LIKE the marriages of Superman and Peter Parker?

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Someone dress me down here..tell me why I'm wrong.

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I like 'em both. 

Not gonna tell you you're wrong, because at the end of the day it's all a matter of personal taste.
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And he was really surprised when it "slopped over" into the comics. Stan was writing the strip, at the time, as a soap opera, and he felt having Peter and MJ older and married would better serve that purpose. He didn't expect the comics to follow his "lead".

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I don't disagree.  Like I said, I was just answering Andrew's specific question as to whether a character's creator has ever told such a story.
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