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Stephen Sadowski Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | 1
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Maybe I'll try adifferent tact..
JB, WHAT inspires you these days? Is there anything that fires up the old engine of imagination? If NOT comics..MOVIE?..Music? I hope you can give an answer that isnt along the lines of " I dont need anything to do it for me.." lol
Oh, I just saw a screening of 'PANS LABYRINTH'..HIGHLY recommend it!! The juxtoposition between Fascist Spain in 1944 and a litle girls world is REALLY well done..!
Edited by Stephen Sadowski on 19 January 2007 at 2:42pm
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John Byrne
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 2:43pm | IP Logged | 2
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Take a look at the Commissions Gallery.
What do you THINK "inspires" me?
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Stephen Sadowski Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:10pm | IP Logged | 3
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Ummm..okaaaayy..
People asking you to draw them what they want? Money?
Is it possible to get a straight answer out of you?? lol
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Darren Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 22 April 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 6025
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:12pm | IP Logged | 4
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"The really great comicbook artists -- and this goes
outside the superhero genre -- are the ones who are able to draw the
character not as they would look, but as they should look."-JB
Alan Davis's Batman was both realistic -and- 'magic', IMO. It's funny because the two artists I'd love to do an extended run on Batman, seem to be fated to go nowhere near it! That's you and Alan! (Accepting that both have had incursions but I want the full out war-LOL)
Speaking of Mr Davis, I noted that in FF: the End, that he's done, Issue number four has a recreation of the scene you drew of Galactus defeated by the FF, Cap, Thor etc.
I think it's pretty cool that JB gets an Alan Davis 'reimagining'...(kinda) turn about's 'fair-play' ;-) How about a shot of one of Alan's "Clan Destine" family characters?
Just thought this novelty might have slipped by you John...
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 9846
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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And going along with the whole "grandeur" thought:
there are a lot of artists out there, working in the biz, that can offer what
we all remember or presently see in the comics of our youth. Big stories,
great art, etc. But they then draw page after page, or book after book, of
characters sitting around a table talking, or feeling sorry for themselves,
or whatever big emotional moment the writer is working up to.
It's not only the artists, but the writers, and the editors, and the people
running the whole operation, that just aren't getting it.
In my world there would be a mandate from On High, that every comic for
a year has to be a story told in a single issue that has fight scenes and
characters talking to each other and emotional high points and
revelations and new characters introduced. Every single issue.
Oh, and it has to be monthly.
And for the "artists" (illustrators or writers) who complain, they are given
a stack of comics from the 50s or 60s or 70s that did just that, every
month, to read and memorize and etched into their neural pathways and
have encoded in their DNA.
There is no excuse for the cr@p that comes out from companies that
should know better, and from illustrators or writers who have shown that
they can do better.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:14pm | IP Logged | 6
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"People asking you to draw them what they want? Money?"
Wow that is really rude.
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Jacob Reyn Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 02 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 578
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:15pm | IP Logged | 7
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JB wrote:
Previous "generations" used to know how to write stories in which there was huge amounts of action --- and depth of characterization. That, in fact, was what gave birth to the whole "Marvel Age".
Today, we have professionals and readers who are so embarassed to have anything to do with superheroes (yet are addicted to them, in the first case for the money, in the second for the "fix") that they must try to knock down the stories of yore. |
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It's that lack of artistic and literary discipline that has flooded the comic magazine industry. For many growing up, it was the Stan Lee "Woodstock & Jimi Hendrix at Monterey" era that ushered in a greater appreciation of the comic title. By this I mean the expectations of the reader learned from Lee, Kirby, and the like that a consistent and respectful approach to presenting an interesting story to the reader was more or less becoming a guarantee (like Jimi and '69 contributed to peace and music.)
Through the Reagan era, with emerging talent like Claremont, JB and Romita, this guarantee seemed to become a mainstay with an appreciation of the reader's interest in the continuity of titles like Amazing Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Action and Detective maintaining robust growth for the industry into the turn of the millennium. It is at this point that the discipline, which had promised readers a consistent format for drawing them to the spinner rack, began to falter under the weight of newer inconsiderations (of newer talent) for others that had contributed before them, at some times thrashing the work of a former.
It's interesting to note that the main direct edition shops, in mine and neighboring towns, which flourished during the Clinton era, have shut down in the days since. An obvious sign that the comic industry has lost something by not keeping the reader's attention in mind concerning those "stories of yore."
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Stephen Sadowski Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | 8
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Rude, Joe? Really...? What else should I glean from being asked to look at a commission gallery?
Would have been easier ( and more polite) to just answer the question, no?
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:20pm | IP Logged | 9
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Darren -
and this page (tho it looks like part of a two-page spread) you have posted
by Alan Davis is kind of my point.
Alan Davis is one helluva artist, but here we have a page of two of the more
powerful characters in the Marvel Universe, and they are standing around
talking.
Alan Davis can draw as well as any artist out there, and better than most,
AND I love his stuff (just *look* at the mouth of Galactus in that last panel;
you can tell the tone of what he is saying without reading what he is
saying!!! brilliant), but seeing this makes me want to cry.
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Michael Arndt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | 10
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JB did answer your question Stephen. Not that hard of an answer.
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Stephen Sadowski Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:26pm | IP Logged | 11
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<sigh> I give up. Back to the drawing board...literally..lol
Edited by Stephen Sadowski on 19 January 2007 at 3:28pm
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | 12
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Andrew, you have to be fair to the series. Not every page can be non-stop action. This series has plenty and it's just starting.
Stephen, I'm not atempting to answer for JB, but don't you get inspiration by just seeing a character and thinking of all the wonderful history its creators have given them?
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