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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 11:04pm | IP Logged | 1
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Leigh Hunt wrote:
There are loads of things coming out right now that I love and I am always hurt when people say that there is nothing for them in the comics world these days. It feels like people are deliberately ignoring all the good stuff and claiming that all modern comics are rubbish. |
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I'll never understand why one person's personal opinion about what they don't like could ever have this kind of affect on another. Seriously. If I said I find no enjoyment in science fiction at all and someone told me that they were personally hurt that I didn't like what they liked, what am I supposed to do with that? Am I supposed to pretend that I like something just so you don't get your feelers hurt? Or can we accept that my opinion and your opinion aren't the same, yet mine shouldn't have any affect on how you feel?
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Dave Powell Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 November 2006 Posts: 588
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 11:11pm | IP Logged | 2
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I echo Matt's view. My 3 year old gets excited and yell's " 'Pier-ma' every time Spiderman is anywhere. He plays with the same type toys I did. I'd say the only thing he does that I didn't is play on a computer, but if they'd been around, I bet I would have too. The fact is, toys have gotten better at baby-sitting, ugly but true. Give your kid a hand-held game and it will entrance him for 10 times as long as a comic book. And the worst part, you have to teach them to read first, oh no!
I learned enough about science from comics to make me want to learn more. Comics gave me a huge advantage in reading ability, because Stan, Roy, Chris, John, Roger, or whoever was writing, NEVER assumed I was dumb, they always wrote words I might need to go look up. The stories told of heroes I actually looked UP to, even the ones with problems. Anyone remember when Wolverine hated the fact he killed, and was ashamed of his rages? I just don't see that now. I don't LET my 5 year old read new comics. But I'll hand her my old Avenger's essentials in a heartbeat. And boy, does she like them, just as much as I still do.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | 3
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"That sounds too much like mindreading, which is frowned upon, Joe."
Oooh ...
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Kevin Tuma Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 559
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 11:23pm | IP Logged | 4
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The comics of yesterday really were crammed with stuff. Action, drama, comedy, romance, and sub-plots galore. It takes me (on average) 15-25 minutes to read older comics, whereas most of today's comics can be consumed in 5-10 minutes and are then forgotten.
Yep...and many comic stories of yesterday were only 16 pages long!
As to the art in modern comics, there's no accounting for taste, I suppose. The only thing that looks upgraded to me is the colorization. Most of the pencillers who are competent out there are people who broke in during the 80s.
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Joe Smith Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 29 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6674
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 11:27pm | IP Logged | 5
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Stephen, I enjoy your work. I think you have an optimistic view of comics. I think that JB is one of your heroes, or else you wouldn't be here. It's a great place to come and read snippets of wisdom from the master!
I've read a few posts by JB in the past few years stating that he loved the Gibbons GN the Originals, a member of what may be called the "old guard", yes, HOWEVER, I do also remember a post of his where he had seen Steve McNiven's work, and saw good habits and energy, or was it line work? (I am definitely paraphrasing! it was awhile ago). He, like many others I know, including myself when I am at work, seems to not like repeating himself too much. It seems to all have been said, and when he's got something to say, he says it. Loud & clear.
Keep enjoying your JB, and your own work... and thanks for opening this thread, for I may never have seen that Kirby Batman! Wow! I am in a state of shock! Any history on the WHY of that?
And you zealots... jeez, behave yourselves. JB's a big boy, and can handle himself.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 11:32pm | IP Logged | 6
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Oh beHave !
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Marcus Kelligrew Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1263
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 11:40pm | IP Logged | 7
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I just finished Captain America and the Falcon: Madbomb trade by Kirby and I must say it holds up well for me! Talk about action and ahead of it's time! Kirby is inspiring and I don' t think anyone today can come close to him, even in his '70s Marvel incarnation. The creators just don't think like that anymore. By the way, Frank Giacoia was a underated Kirby inker!
Edited by Marcus Kelligrew on 20 January 2007 at 8:09am
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | 8
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I love those Kirby Captain America/Falcon stories. For all the crap critics heap on Kirby's writing, I find those books a thrill to read. Especially since this is the first time reading them!
Edited by Paul Greer on 19 January 2007 at 11:54pm
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Bill Willingham Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 January 2007 at 12:01am | IP Logged | 9
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That Batman picture, published in the short-lived Comics Informer went along with an article titled something like What if Kirby Created Batman? Long before the What if Stan Lee Created the DCU. The article was intended to be tongue in cheek and Kirby, ever the good-natured sort, went along with the joke, intentionally going a bit overboard on his illo.
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David Schimmel Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 539
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Posted: 20 January 2007 at 12:16am | IP Logged | 10
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Steve,
Glad to see you posting again. Your Starman and JSA work are some of
my favorite. Wish the inkers had stuck with your pencils more, but great
work nonetheless.
Now, to the topic at hand. Some of you really need to stop the overly
zealous defense of JB. As he has shown in the past, he can more than
capably defend himself. Troy and Joe, since you felt it was OK to mind
read what Stephen meant, it seems fair to call you out for your online
behavior.
I did buy the originals based on JB's recommendation and absolutely
loved it!
David
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Francesco Vanagolli Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 June 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 3130
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Posted: 20 January 2007 at 2:27am | IP Logged | 11
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Pedro, "Il figlio di Mefisto" is one of my favorite stories, too! And civitelli is great, the Italian John Romita, Sr.
Wallace, I'm following THE SPIRIT, AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL and FANTASTIC FOUR: THE END and they're excellent! Maybe we should re-open that old "good current comics" thread... There is still a lot of great stuff, if we search for it (what makes me sad is that my former favorite Marvel series AREN'T among that stuff).
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Stephen Sadowski Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 January 2007 at 3:59am | IP Logged | 12
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Thanks, Joe and David..:) And dont worry about me and all the stuff said..I find it all VERY amusing...
Edited by Stephen Sadowski on 20 January 2007 at 4:07am
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