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Stephen Sadowski
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In comics, that is...
Over the past while reading your posts, I get the overwhelming feeling of sadness and disdain about how you feel about comics. You have said that you dont really even LOOK at most modern comics, anymore...even though I know you could be given alist of some AMAZING comics being produced. You have also said you dont like to comment about modern Artists in comics and whether you like them or not..but it would be great to hear SOMETHING positive about modern comics from you!
So, the question is really..is there NOTHING on the racks that gives you "THAT" feeling ...have you even TRIED to look?
If you are looking for something to give you hope, my first suggestion is Kirkmans 'INVINCIBLE' from Image. Trust me, its GREAT! I'm sure there will be more to follow mine.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 19 January 2007 at 8:03am | IP Logged | 2
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You have said that you dont really even LOOK at
most modern comics, anymore
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I've said I don't read/follow. I look. That's where
the "sadness and disdain" comes from.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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| Posted: 19 January 2007 at 8:29am | IP Logged | 3
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John, do you check out any independent stuff? Non superhero material at all? Terry Moore's Stranger in Paradise has had many moments of brilliance and he has an amazing way with visualizing emotion, blatantly and subtley.
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Joe Zhang
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I find almost all the art these days boring.
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Andy Smith
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I find almost all the art these days boring. >
I can't imagine that. There is a ton of great art out there. The level of the game as gone up.
As an artist I get inspired by the level of some of the work that is out there.
Andy
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Joe Zhang
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Don't get me wrong, the art is very well drawn. But there's no sense of action, dynamism.
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Patrick Drury
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I find almost all the art these days boring.
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I think bad writers are a dime a dozen these days, but man, I can find all kinds of art I like:
Frank Quitely, Paul Pope, Olivier Copiel, Chris Sprouse, Becky Cloonan, Eduardo Risso, Gene Ha, Goran Parlov, Ron Garney, Marcello Frusin, Tony Moore, Phillip Bond, Gabriel Ba, Rags Morales, Pascul Ferry, Eddie Campbell, Ryan Sook, Frazer Irving, Patrick Gleason, Carlos Pacheco, J.H. Williams, Bryan Hitch, Stuart Immonen...
The list goes on.
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Paulo Pereira
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| Don't get me wrong, the art is very well drawn. But there's no sense of action, dynamism. |
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Agreed. Much of it is very pretty, but not very exciting.
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Paul Greer
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The dynamics of comics seems to be lost. Do some of todays artists technically draw better looking pictures? You betcha. Are they able to tell a story without words, like those before them? Not many. Having said that, who is to blame for this? If an artist only cuts his chops by doing comics that have little to no action, how are they going to develop the dynamics needed for creating great comics? Not all current artists are having this problem, but I see folks who have basic problems with drawing action panel to panel. They draw a great looking character pose or cover, but when more is needed I'm not as impressed. What should be a few pages each filled with six panels of movement and an actual fight, is replaced with a splash or two of jumbo battle scenes. Does it look pretty? You betcha. Does it give me the sense of excitement and illustrate a real struggle? Not always.
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John Byrne
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The dynamics of comics seems to be lost.
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What's been lost is the GRANDEUR. Superhero
comics used to be bigger than life. Today, and for
the last decade, the trend has been to bring
everything down to "street level". It's like the
comment Roy Thomas made about the New
Universe -- today's comics read more like TV
movies.
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Paulo Pereira
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| What's been lost is the GRANDEUR. |
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That too.
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Paul Greer
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I do feel like some of todays comics are storyboards for movies or television, rather than comic books. The irony of comics being made this way, is that Hollywood still won't use those comics for their "better" movie stories. Let all writers and artists know it is still just a waste of time. Do comics and forget about the movies. Hollywood doesn't want your stories, just the characters.
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