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Michael Connell
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Why so Aaron?
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What time frame are we talking about with X-Factor?
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The original X-men had the book from 1986-1991 John.
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Why so Aaron?

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I guess it wasn't neccesarily the way the title was written, but rather the fact that the writers were stuck with all the crap that was starting to happen across the X-related areas of the Marvel Universe. The personality of Cyclops was already being badly handled, the whole Magneto allied with the X-Men garbage had already happened, and no one was acting like themselves anymore. Even in, if I recall correctly,the first issue of X-Factor, Jean comments about having been informed of the curent state of the X-Men, with Xavier missing, Magneto at the school, etc.

 The first thing those 5 original X-Men should have done is to get over to that mansion ASAP, kick Magneto to the curb, put the school back in order...and THEN if they wanted to operate independently, should have become an extension of the X-Men, operating maybe on the West Coast or something (like the AWC) but still remained affiliated with the others. Instead they conjure up this silly "mutant hunters" disguise, completely divorce themselves from Xavier's School, and basically turn their backs on everything their former mentor left behind.  Actually, after they tossed Magneto, they probably would have gone looking for Xavier. 

 But instead, we got what we got.At the time I liked it, mostly because I was very new to comics and had not yet read the Cockrum/JB years of X-Men. I didn't know enough about the history of the X-Men to see how out of character they were acting (in both X-Men and X-Factor)

edited to clarify that I was responding to Michael's question.

 



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Valid points across the board. I too wondered why "X-Factor" didn't challenge the X-Men for the right to the name since they thought at the time that the X-Men had joined up with Magneto.
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I wouldn't expect "challenging" as much as "rescuing" or "straightening out."  After all, Scott had spent plenty of time leading the "new" X-Men as well as the originals, and should not have just walked away from the whole picture, especially with Xavier M.I.A. , Storm (who had replaced him as team leader) powerless, and Magneto around.
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I think at the time of X-Factor Scott had lost his faith in the "new" X-Men altogether, I think that's why he retreated to Alaska when he knew Magneto was leading the team rather than investigating what was really going on at the school. That too is a prime example of how out of character Cyclops was being written. The "old" Scott Summers would have been all over that situation.
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The "old" Scott Summers would have been all over that situation.

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Exactly.

 Even if Jean hadn't suddenly returned, I think an in-character Cyclops would have gone off and gathered Hank, Bobby, and Warren, and jumped right back into the situation anyway.

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LOL! We should do a podcast episode on this one Aaron, X-Men, X-Factor and "The Magneto Dilema" there's a show right there. ;-) 
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Be warned, Michael. If I get started ranting about that era of the X-Men, you may not be able to shut me up!
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That's fine we can always break it into two episodes. :-)
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Ranting for the TPB!
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