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Brian Hunt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5178
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 7:19pm | IP Logged | 1
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Geoff wrote:
On a related topic, I have seen some "rose growing" artists attend many conventions while a book they work on remains months behind its publishing schedule -- if they can't get a book out on time should they be attending a con? Shouldn't they be finishing the comic? To put it in a different context I'll apply the same facts to my profession: if a lawyer failed to finish a brief that was due in Court the next day because there was a bar function he wanted to attend he would be screwed. He would face admonishment from the Court, the client and his employer -- to the point of being fired or sued for malpractice. His professional duty is to finish the work when it is due.
You're making too much sense Geoff.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 7:29pm | IP Logged | 2
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No autographs, no conversations, no portfolio reviews --- heck, there are some fans who fail to realize that even attending a convention at all is "above and beyond" for the talent.
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Except that marketing the product is in the writer/artist's best interest. If the books don't sell, the creator ultimately is out of a job. While some creators do enjoy meeting with fans, convention appearances aren't an altruistic act -- going out on the meet 'n' greet circuit is a vehicle to promote sales. In some cases, these signings may actually be paid appearances.
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Stan Lomisceau Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 October 2006 Posts: 530
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | 3
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mr. buchaman you cannot expect to have signs on your comic andother
thing. these men write the comics and draw them and they do not owe you
more then doing that. have some grateful respects!
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 7985
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | 4
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Stan, what's up with you? How long have you been in the States? Why don't you use capital letters? Why don't you correct your sig line? Why don't you tell us a little more about yourself?
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 7985
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | 5
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Are you one of those people who tells a cop he can't give you a ticket because your taxes pay his salary?
I love this! As an assistant principal in a public high school, you can imagine how many "taxpayers" I deal with. I usually drop a little something about being a taxpayer myself, or living here too, or letting them know my daughter is in the school as well. Instead, one day, I would like to simply ask the person who "pays my salary" for a raise.
Ah, I can see it now...
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 7985
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 9:14pm | IP Logged | 6
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And for all you guys with the stacks of books to get signed at the next convention, the ones who have no desire to actually meet the person or to shake a hand and say thanks, watch out. I am the guy behind you who likes to remind you how rude you are. Do you think I care how much you paid for a golden ticket to get in early every day. Loser. You are still an asshole and need to be told.
One day I am going to get beat up.
...Pause (wait for it)...
One day.
;-)
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 10:10pm | IP Logged | 7
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mr. buchaman you cannot expect to have signs on your comic andother thing. these men write the comics and draw them and they do not owe you more then doing that. have some grateful respects!
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Stan, I have plenty of respect for the folks who create the comics I enjoy so much. I just think that respect should work both ways, that's all.
I certainly have found that here at the JBF. Mr. Byrne has devoted countless hours to communicating with his fans and I'm certainly grateful (and appreciative_ for that.
By the way, why am I having flashbacks of those great old Iron Sheik interviews?
"Iran, numba one! Russia, numba one. Hoo-ess-aye, Slaughter Sergeant, Howdy Doody Bob Backlund, ack-pooey!"
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Joakim Jahlmar Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 October 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 6080
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 4:05am | IP Logged | 8
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Bruce Buchanan wrote: "Except that marketing the product is in the writer/artist's best interest. If the books don't sell, the creator ultimately is out of a job. While some creators do enjoy meeting with fans, convention appearances aren't an altruistic act -- going out on the meet 'n' greet circuit is a vehicle to promote sales. In some cases, these signings may actually be paid appearances."
Well, I know that there are a lot of authors going on book tours, signing, et al, and that they do get sent by their publishers. Don't know exactly how common (if at all) this practice is within the comics industry. All that said, however, I think it is somewhat questionable as to how much sales said procedure generates. Sure if you have a famous author in a book store whilst promoting his/her latest novel, the store is probably going to sell a few copies more, but compared to a comic book artist or writer on a con, where most people are probably BRINGING their signing material already bought...? Sure you generate some good will, I'll grant you that. But good will isn't going to bring in new paying customers. And in all honesty, it's not going to keep already paying customers paying if the quality in the product isn't there. So how, exactly, can these signing properly constitute marketing? If it's marketing we're after, I'd say radio or tv interviews, pod-casts, etc... about specific products is the way to go. Or small talks at conventions rather than personalised appearances. Strictly marketing-wise that seems more productive. At the end of the day... the signings etc are all just bonuses for the fans. And I think most of us (i.e. at least those with manners) appreciate the effort rather than asking why we can get to stay up til ten (to plunder part of JB's example metaphor).
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John Webb Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 October 2004 Posts: 1428
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 5:58am | IP Logged | 9
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Shmoozing with the fans works. End of story. Just look at Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson to see how much money it can lose you if the fans don't like what you do outside of your job.
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 17700
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 9:36am | IP Logged | 10
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I don't care how much "shmoozing" a creator does. If s/he doesn't produce work that I enjoy, I'm not buying it.
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Brian Hague Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 November 2006 Posts: 8515
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 10:28am | IP Logged | 11
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Chris Hutton wrote: "Brian, how was DeForest Kelley? I've heard his friends describe him as sweet. I wonder how he was with fans. "
Hey Chris! DeForest Kelley was seated at an autograph table with Dean Stockwell and several convention runners, staff, etc. As I came up, he was talking to someone beside him, but did glance up to make eye contact as he signed the photo I'd handed to him. I thanked him and he nodded. Very brief, but also completely polite, given the context. Dean Stockwell appeared to be ever so slightly more engaged with the people in line, but in truth, it was near the end of the day and both men seemed tired.
In my list of famous persons I've met, I can't believe I forgot to mention Curt Swan, Julius Schwartz, Neil Gaiman, Bob Layton, Steve Erwin, and Burne Hogarth. My time spent working for the local comic retail empire had its share of bonuses! Burne Hogarth's appearance consisted of a brief period of instruction by the artist on basic drawing techniques. When he asked us in the small crowd to show him the way in which we held a pen, he looked at my grip and told me I would never learn how to draw with my hand that way. Never. My friends with me were a bit offended on my behalf and urged me to show him some of the work I'd brought, but I thought it impolite to dispute the point he was making to the "class" and it was a fun, memorable moment. He was more than happy to chat for a moment afterwards and personalize one of the two portfolios I purchased to my friend who was in a hospital after a car crash.
Curt Swan thought for certain that I was a collector he'd met in California who must have flown out to meet him here. Hadn't I bought one or two things from him? I expressed my sympathies to the fellow in California on his obvious disfigurement, but had to insist that I was just me... Swan was a very nice man who clearly made the effort to remember his fans.
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Roger A Ott II Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5371
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 10:44am | IP Logged | 12
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Brian Hague: When he asked us in the small crowd to show him the way in which we held a pen, he looked at my grip and told me I would never learn how to draw with my hand that way. Never.
Considering I met a man last year who does beautiful landscapes and wildlife drawings in pen and ink with his mouth due to the fact that he's paralyzed from the neck down, I'd say Burne Hogarth was full of it. You draw how you draw.
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