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Michael Penn
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Common civility -- which is as often as not uncommon -- may be demanded of any interaction.

But a fan shouldn't expect that a comic book artist is obligated in any way to be respectful and courteous either online or at a convention or anywhere. It's nice, but there's no entitlement.

 

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Brandon,

I too am grateful thast JB takes the time to respond to out questions, however I take exception to you calling "us" lowlifes.  I realize that you included yourself in that categorty, but the term reinforces the belief that comic fans are inadequate

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You guys just called yourself a "low-life" and "the great unwashed."

Wow.
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I think that if you have to do a signing for whatever reason you should treat people as if they were customers in your shop,which if you are signing in a book shop is about right.I hate going into a shop and the assistant is yacking to someone they work with and treat the customer like an inconvenience. Which is what it seems happened to Dave. A bit of eye contact is good manners too.  I also think that the person who wants their item signed should treat the writer/artist with respect and remember there are other customers in line.If the person hates meeting the public they should not do signings,no matter what the publisher says,as offended customers won`t be buying again anyway.So the publisher gains nothing except ill will.

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"the great unwashed."  = The common people generally - multitude, masses, Why the Wow Jon?

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From my dictionary:

unwashed |??n?wô sh t; -?wä sh t| adjective not having been washed.

PHRASES the ( great) unwashed

(derogatory) the mass or multitude of ordinary people.
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Posted: 28 December 2006 at 9:50am | IP Logged | 7  

If the person hates meeting the public they should not do signings,no matter what the publisher says,as offended customers won`t be buying again anyway.

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If only it were that simple. Unfortunately, it only takes a handful of fans who did not get the treatment they think they deserve -- ie, did not get treated better than everyone else in line -- for the "bad" stories to start circulating.

"All I did was ask him to sign a few {{twenty-five}} of my books {{at the end of the day, when the Pro was all packed up and heading for the door}}, and he told me to f*ck off {{politely informed the fan that he would be back signing tomorrow}}!!"

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But a fan shouldn't expect that a comic book artist is obligated in any way to be respectful and courteous either online or at a convention or anywhere. It's nice, but there's no entitlement.

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Likewise, the artist has no entitlement to expect fans to support his or her work, particularly if they treat the paying customer in a shabby manner.



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Brad Teschner
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Posted: 28 December 2006 at 9:51am | IP Logged | 9  

Not at all. However, I do expect police officers to treat the people who pay their salaries with courtesy and respect.

what about the people who don't pay their salaries?  like the homeless?  do they, too, not deserve to be treated with courtesy and respect?  that kind of takes the "paying their salaries" element out of the mix...what you're really referring to is the golden rule, which shouldn't be leveled solely upon comic book creators whose "fan's pay their salaries" but upon all people in general.

which brings us to the point that comic book creators are people, just like all the rest of us.  some of us are cool and courteous and some of us are just dicks.  we all have good days and we all have bad days.  it sucks to have a bad experience with someone whose work you really enjoy, but let's get over it.  these people are paid to write/draw/create...the signings and conventions are a bonus.

want to keep these people on a pedestal?  don't go to signings or conventions.  human beings have a tendency to disappoint from time to time.


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...particularly if the treat the paying customer in a shabby manner.

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Again, one man's bending over backwards to accomodate is another man's treating someone in a shabby manner. It's all about the expectation, and there are too many fans who expect not mere civility, but preferential treatment. "I pay your salary!" Everyone who has been to a convention, especially in the last 20 years or so, have seen these people in operation.

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Fan interaction is at the highest level it's ever been in comics. The
internet has been fantastic in helping to introduce talented people into
the industry that would never have made it before. Fans feel a greater
connection to the creators they admire now. Good lord, I can post a
message and have John Freaking Byrne respond to it within minutes! If
you had told me that in 1986 when I was 13 I would have passed out!
All that said, I think some fans can "imagine" themselves being a part of
the industry now because thier opinions are being heard on forums. This
really isn't the case, and I hope it never is. We talked with Hilary Barta this
week and he said something really smart. "If you give fans what they say
they want you'll do nothing but turn out crap. You have to give them stuff
that they don't think they want". When fans try and break down that wall
between themselves and the creator, it only leads to a loss of the magic in
the medium. I enjoy knowing creators beyond what I see on the page, but
I also know that I need to keep a safe distance so I can continue to enjoy
the work.
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Michael Penn
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the artist has no entitlement to expect fans to support his or her work

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I would just stop your statement right there, Bruce. A comic book artist tries to create work that will sell. That's the only "support" that's courted in the profession. Whether she or he is a jerk, or is perceived as such, is irrelevant. If a comic book artist's interaction with fans becomes problematic in terms of sales, then the company employing her or him can intervene. But there's still no mutual entitlement for anything at all between comic book artist and readership.

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