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Mary Ives Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 August 2005 Location: United States Posts: 206
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Posted: 31 December 2006 at 3:45pm | IP Logged | 1
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Year before last at SDCC, I asked Fred Perry, as he's a friend of my
fiance (who does all the work for
the Gold Digger series) for just a quick sketch, and he did a whole commission of the character I wanted,
realized what he's done, and refused to take any money for it, even
though I offered. That's a gentleman.
Edited by Mary Ives on 31 December 2006 at 3:46pm
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Eric Freed Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 March 2005 Location: United States Posts: 407
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Posted: 31 December 2006 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | 2
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I have not had many experiences with celebrities, but my 3-year old daughter has provided opportunities for me to meet with a few.
My daughter is a fan of the Monkees, and she watches their TV show and listens to their music at every opportunity. A friend of my Aunt is the head of entertainment for a local Labor Day Festival, and each year she invites Peter Tork, a former member of the group, to perform. When she found out my daughter was a fan, she said to my Aunt that we should come to the show and she would make sure we had an opportunity to meet with Mr. Tork. My Aunt relayed this to us, and we made plans to be there.
We came to the show at the designated time. Unfortunately, my Aunt had given us the wrong time, and Mr. Tork had already completed his performance and had returned to his hotel by the time we arrived. My Aunt's friend, when she found out what happened, immediately called Mr. Tork at his hotel, and then told us to go to the hotel (about 2 miles away) and he would meet us in the lobby. I felt very bad about inconveniencing him, since I guessed he was probably relaxing or eating dinner by this time, but she insisted we go.
We rushed over and had a very pleasant meeting with Mr. Tork, took a few pictures, got an autograph on her favorite Monkee's CD, etc. I apologized to Mr. Tork for inconveniencing him, but he was very gracious and extremely generous with his time. We thanked him for meeting with us. Though my daughter clammed up when he tried talking to her, she certainly knew who he was, and she talked about her meeting with him for weeks afterward. It was a very pleasant experience.
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Andy Ihnatko Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 169
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 12:32am | IP Logged | 3
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My perspective on autographs and such changed completely when my name started to get out there. Every time someone comes up and tells me how much they enjoy my work, or wants to chat about something I wrote, or asks for an autograph or a picture, I find it tremendously flattering. There's no eBay market for a tech pundit's autograph, so I know that this is someone who's paying me a very, very kind compliment.
So on those occasions when I encounter someone who's work I've enjoyed, I don't hesitate to say hi and tell them I'm a fan. Unless good etiquette forbids it, in which case I choose to show my gratitude by allowing Mr. Yastrzemski to eat his plate of kielbasa undisturbed.
I'm glad that this thread isn't a spit-fest about bad encounters with creators. My own best story:
At the one San Diego con I attended, I had a 28th-floor room (or somesuch) at the Marriott. I board the elevator one morning...and there's Stan Lee.
We were the only two people in the car, all the way to the ground floor. This is precisely the sort of nightmare scenario that inspires some pros to take the stairs. But Stan couldn't have been nicer.
I observed Standard Elevator Silence for two floors and then finally said "Well, of course I'm going to tell you how much I've enjoyed your work!" He noticed my Media badge, asked who I wrote for, and we had a great 26-floor chat about Playboy and cartoons and freelancing.
I'm sure that three years before I was even born, Stan was already an old pro at these kinds of encounters. Still, I have no idea how tired he might have been, or how much he had to do that day, or even what he thought about having to be nice to an endless stream of strangers all week long. Nope, when I left the hotel all I thought was that he was grateful for my compliments and that he seemed genuinely interested in our conversation. And that's a very generous thing for him to have done.
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Dennis Calero Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 18 June 2006 Posts: 504
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 5:30am | IP Logged | 4
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" don't expect or demand respect because that needs to be earned. "
Before I go into my point, a "pre-point" if you will. I think EVERYONE should be treated respectfully unless and until they demonstrate that they are not worthy of respectful treatment. But upon first meeting you, I'm going to assume you merit some basic respect due all human beings and I think you should expect that.
Now, I have mixed feelings about this, because I am very grateful to all 2 or 3 of my fans for appreciating my work enough to write, talk to me, email me, ask for an autograph or sketch.
And luckily (or unluckily) I don't have enough fans that at cons I'm "bothered" by them, although I can see that a multitude of never ending fans, even lovely appreciative people, COULD get to be too much.
The only thing that thus far has annoyed me about some particular fans, and I preface this by saying that I understand that this is MY problem, is that they seem more interested in the movements of these imaginary people than they are in the actual drawing or the craft of the writing.
You see, when I was growing up and reading comics, as much as I loved the characters, I was always in love with the art itself more. I would prefer an unknown character drawn by an artist whose work I really loved to a poorer artist on a well known figure. Clearly, this sensitivity was part of the reason I became an artist.
And certainly understand that this is the product I pedal and if I really care about being soley praised for the craft of my work, I should go into fine art (which I will at some point), but in the interest of universal understanding, I bring it up.
I do think fans are very fortunate to have the access to their favorite writers and artists that modern technology allows and I also agree that this has its dark side. But I also think we ARE lucky to have fans who care so much about our work in the first place.
So there you have it...everyone's right.
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Joakim Jahlmar Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 October 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 6080
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 7:46am | IP Logged | 5
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Roger A Ott II wrote: "Considering I met a man last year who does beautiful landscapes and wildlife drawings in pen and ink with his mouth due to the fact that he's paralyzed from the neck down, I'd say Burne Hogarth was full of it. You draw how you draw."
I'm with Roger on this one. It's not how the pen is held but what turns up on the paper that matters. If you use toes, mouth or an unconventional penmanship in terms of regular handholding... so be it. At the end of the day I'm sure there are people with the "proper" grip who can't draw any better than yours truly.
Theodore Pugliese wrote: "Stupid, right, that a grown man (me) wants to meet another grown man (JB) just to shake hands and say thanks for doing what you do? Maybe get a pic and have a book signed and personalized for me."
Nothing stupid with enjoying and respecting people who've provided us with entertainment, storytelling, emotional outlet etc, whether it be in comics, books, film, music or otherwise, Theodore. Showing a bit of gratitude for that little bit of how they may – on no matter how small a scale – have affected our lives for the better.
Robert Bradley wrote: "Probaby the best experience that I had was when I met Jerry Colangelo, the former owner of the Phoenix Suns & Arizona Diamondbacks. I made sure I was at the end of the line so I could ask him a couple of questions, and had a nice (brief) chat with him. But I don;t expect that kind of interaction from anyone."
I think the key point, Robert, is that while one may ask a question or even in some cases take a long shot and ask a "famous" person if they're interested in grabbing a cup of coffe, there is a huge difference between politely asking (and sometimes receiving an appreciatve yes because circumstances are in your favour) and actually assuming (or perhaps presuming) that one should expect a yes to such an invite. As long as it's done politely, I don't think there's much harm in posing such a question (unless there's a two mile long queue spelling out BUSY in huge letters) if it's done politely and without any preconceived expectations as to what the answer should be, since it's most likely to be no.
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 7985
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 12:03pm | IP Logged | 6
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Joakim, I do not think it's stupid either. I would really enjoy meeting John Byrne.
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Stan Lomisceau Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 October 2006 Posts: 530
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | 7
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mr. calero you can not expect that all of the artists will have so much
respect for the fans because when you think about it who has caused so
many problems for the professional people? the answeer is that the fans
have done this and maybe then they have only gotten what they deserved
sometimes. you have to admit is is to much to have giant piles of
autographs to sell and always lie about bad byrne stories so you can
get a merit badge. if so many fans did not do this comics would be a
better place. that is why they have deserved to have it both ways.
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Dennis Calero Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 18 June 2006 Posts: 504
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 5:01pm | IP Logged | 8
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Hey Stan, I think you missed my point. I certainly don't advocate that an artist should "grin and bear it" if a fan (or anyone else for that matter) is being rude or truly difficult. My point was only that, as people, we should START with respect for each other, then move on from there, rather than somehow start with 0 respect and somehow have to EARN it. I think respect is something everyone has an innate right to, short of their losing it because (probably) they are being disrespectful themselves.
And yes, I think a fan should try and understand that, if there was a huge line of people ahead of him, and/or a huge line of people behind him (or her), he should try to make it brief as well as pleasant. That's showing consideration for both the artist and for his fellow fans.
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:33pm | IP Logged | 9
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My point was only that, as people, we should START with respect for each other, then move on from there, rather than somehow start with 0 respect and somehow have to EARN it.
Very nice, Dennis. Happy New Year!
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Jo Harvatt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 06 July 2006 Posts: 1523
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 4:44am | IP Logged | 10
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Maybe we should all have respect for others but seek to earn it for ourselves?
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Joakim Jahlmar Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 October 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 6080
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 7:28am | IP Logged | 11
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Theodore Pugliese wrote: "Joakim, I do not think it's stupid either. I would really enjoy meeting John Byrne."
Didn't really think you thought it either, Theodore, but thought it best to underline the non-stupidity of it, since there are probably hoards of people out there who thinks it's silly (unless of course it's their particular part of the pond). Personally, the one type of admiration I've never understood is the current one for people who are famous for... well being famous, and nothing else (reality shows, Paris Hilton and what not). I prefer to admire people for achievements... JB's an excellent example who comes to mind.
Dennis Calero wrote: "My point was only that, as people, we should START with respect for each other, then move on from there, rather than somehow start with 0 respect and somehow have to EARN it. I think respect is something everyone has an innate right to, short of their losing it because (probably) they are being disrespectful themselves."
Well, as someone else said before me, I think courtesy at the very least until merits can decide for respect (which also comes in degrees, of course).
Dennis also wrote: "And yes, I think a fan should try and understand that, if there was a huge line of people ahead of him, and/or a huge line of people behind him (or her), he should try to make it brief as well as pleasant. That's showing consideration for both the artist and for his fellow fans."
As always, context is everything... even when it comes to any form of human interaction. And after all, these meetings are clearly meetings between people, and one needs to consider the surrounding. Some times a lengthy conversation (or even a brief hallo) might be suitable, sometimes not. I know a year or so ago on the Gothenburg Book Fair, the Irish writer Roddy Doyle was there. My girlfriend and I went to a seminar (she's a huge fan of his), but she somewhat cursed herself for having forgot to bring a copy of any of his books that particular morning. However, when we later passed by the table where he was doing signings, he was sitting there all on his own (no queue there), so I told her to just go up and tell him that she enjoyed his work immensely even though she forgot to bring any book along. She's a bit more shy than me when it comes to these things, but she did go up to him and spoke to him briefly, for which he seemed more than grateful (given the situation) and I do believe she is glad that she didn't let the moment pass by.
Jo Harvatt wrote: "Maybe we should all have respect for others but seek to earn it for ourselves?"
I think that is a good aspiration, Jo.
I must confess that I do have a problem with people who request respect without showing any though. E.g. I have no problem showing elderly people respect – and I certainly don't expect the same type of respect from them as I give to them – I do however find it hard to respect any elderly person who invokes age and then blatantly disregards any respect towards me as a human being or by my own merits alike.
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Brad Teschner Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3933
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 10:07am | IP Logged | 12
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with regards to the Lithgow "incident," who's to say he didn't have a sick family member, fight with his wife, or relative/friend just died? Any of those events (and plenty more, I'm sure) could cause any person to be so distracted.
please don't misinterperate here...i was trying to imply just that. it would have been real easy for me to turn this into a "he's so rude" situation...quite the contrary. i have no idea where his head was and he probably was getting ready to tape 3rd rock. it would be wrong for me to criticize the man not knowing the full story and always try to be clear in that when i relate the tale.
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