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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14864
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 10:58am | IP Logged | 1
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Shmoozing with the fans works. End of story. Just look at Tom Cruise
and Mel Gibson to see how much money it can lose you if the fans don't
like what you do outside of your job.
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Tom Cruise - Had a #1 movie that made almost $400 million worldwide. Ended up reviving United Artists.
Mel Gibson - Made a movie about Mayans that made $40 million and which would have probably been relegated to art house theaters if his name were not attached.
Not seeing the hurt.
I'll also counter with Paris Hilton, who has made a career of being a drunken party girl that everyone loves to mock.
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Brian Hague Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 November 2006 Posts: 8515
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 11:31am | IP Logged | 2
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Roger A. Ott ll wrote: "Considering I met a man last year who does beautiful landscapes and wildlife drawings in pen and ink with his mouth due to the fact that he's paralyzed from the neck down, I'd say Burne Hogarth was full of it. You draw how you draw."
A similar point occured to me shortly afterwards. Drawing is more about the perception of things, "seeing them in your head" and then finding a means of communicating them back as representational images... How you put the marks on the paper is secondary to how you're translating the flow of visual information, and "solving problems" along the way. I believe Mr. Hogarth's point had to do with holding the insturment loosely so as not to obsess over detail and control to the point where you render your arm rigid and incapable of making broader, more expressive strokes and gestures... In any case, he was holding court and it was his court to hold. I would not have contradicted him, regardless.
But your point is absolutely true and well-made!
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John Aardema Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 45
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 11:41am | IP Logged | 3
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I met JB at a ChicagoCon many years back. I was in college, I think, and
had brought my portfolio along. I was a little shy about showing my
portfolio, but John said he'd be happy to look at it. I had been hanging
around the table long enough to know that John had a wry sense of
humor.
After looking at my work, he looked up and said to me, "Come back in
five years and I'll break your hands." It took me a moment, but I assumed
what he meant was that I had potential if I kept working at it. I laughed
and said, "After you break them, will you sign them?" At this point it took
John a moment, but he smiled, and gave me an exuberant, "Sure!"
I went back to where my friend was standing. He didn't have nearly as
much luck showing his portfolio around as I did. He said to me, "I can't
believe you mouthed off to John Byrne like that!"
I was kind of shocked. I said, "We were just joking. You don't think he was
offended, do you?"
"I'm sure he was," he scolded.
Now I don't expect JB to remember this particular exchange--we're
talking decades ago, but at some point I think I came to realize that my
friend's portfolio reviews may have soured him that day. I was glad that I
got some encouragement that day from one of my illustration heroes.
Thanks, JB!
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 7985
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 2:58pm | IP Logged | 4
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You now what bothers me the most? Crazy fans that expect too much and make it uncomfortable for the pros at cons (Like that? Pros at cons) so that I now will probably never get a chance to meet JB in person.
Stupid, right, that a grown man (me) wants to meet another grown man (JB) just to shake hands and say thanks for doing what you do? Maybe get a pic and have a book signed and personalized for me.
Maybe I am the crazy fan.
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John OConnor Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1109
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | 5
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while more than a little late to the thread, I'd like to point out one thing I *think* was missed [and if I missed it, sorry] ... never discount the "bad day" theory. Yes, it is important when you deal with the public to always put on a smile & all that, but sometimes, things just aren't going your way.
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Robert Bradley Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4887
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 9:11pm | IP Logged | 6
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Another late visiter to the thread, but I guess I may have a unique perspective.
I did a few book signings locally in 1999 after a basketball I wrote was published, and people were very courteous to me so I enjoyed it a lot.
However, as a fan I've also seen instances and heard stories about rude fans who expect to much.
What you should expect is - A) to follow the rules [don't ask to be an exception]; B) common courtesy [there's not really any excuse not to be curteous to someone who enjoys your work], C) that sometimes you just catch someebody on a bad day, so don't read to much into it.
Probaby the best experience that I had was when I met Jerry Colangelo, the former owner of the Phoenix Suns & Arizona Diamondbacks. I made sure I was at the end of the line so I could ask him a couple of questions, and had a nice (brief) chat with him. But I don;t expect that kind of interaction from anyone.
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 17700
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 9:39pm | IP Logged | 7
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"I did a few book signings locally in 1999 after a basketball [book] I wrote
was published, and people were very courteous to me so I enjoyed it a
lot."
Robert, what's the name of the book?
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Eric Smearman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 02 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 5839
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 10:40pm | IP Logged | 8
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"Come back in five years and I'll break your hands."
That's hilarious!
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Dave Powell Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 November 2006 Posts: 588
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 11:45pm | IP Logged | 9
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Actually, the bad day theory has gained credence... one of our members mentioned the author that I didn't name as gracious and chatty. Very funny, and made me look again at my question!
Edited by Dave Powell on 30 December 2006 at 11:47pm
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 December 2004 Posts: 3508
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Posted: 31 December 2006 at 12:35am | IP Logged | 10
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There was an interview I heard from a wrestler I like. When it got to fan/wrestler relations he said this.
"The wrestlers should stop trying to act like they are better than the fans and the fans should show wrestlers some respect. Nobody is better than anybody else."
I think that statement can be used in any type of fan/actor,writer etc relationship.
Follow the Golden rule and everything is super special awesome.
EDIT: I think the lesson from the bad day theroy. Is you should always try to be nice to people. Because you only get one chance to make a good first impression.
Edited by Victor .R. Rodgers on 31 December 2006 at 12:38am
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Robert Bradley Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4887
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Posted: 31 December 2006 at 1:55am | IP Logged | 11
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Wallace - The name of my book is THE COMPENDIUM OF PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL, and I also did a chapter on pro basketball from 1896 to 1953 in TOTAL BASKETBALL: THE ULTIMATE BASKETBALL ENCYCLOPEDIA.
Both opportunities sprang forth because of the work I did starting a pro basketball historical society back in 1997 - http://www.APBR.org
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Neil Lindholm Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 January 2005 Location: China Posts: 4946
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Posted: 31 December 2006 at 5:46am | IP Logged | 12
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I have zero interest in celebrities. I have never met any (except for walking past William Shatner in 1973 while on a kindergarten field trip) and if I saw one on the street or whatever I would never approach them. What for? To bask in their aura?
As for the common politeness thing, it is definitely a cultural thing. Most Chinese are very rude when comparing some of their actions to Westerners. They will butt in front of you at a gas station, look over your shoulder at a bank machine, spit on a floor in a store (or a school), openly laugh and point at you, and totally ignore anyone below their station. You have to experience their driving methods to appreciate it. When I pass the lowest peasant here, I smile and say hi and they are totally surprised. I paid to have my scooter washed yesterday and I thanked the lady cleaning the bike. She was shocked as nobody ever thanks her for her job.
That said, they are very polite in other things. However, William Shatner's actions as mentioned in a previous post makes me wonder, why didn't the lady who got her finger stepped on purpose tell him to fuck off in a loud voice? Why are these people treated like Gods?
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