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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Posted: 18 September 2007 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | 1  

Misleading or incomplete descriptions suck. I mean, I've found art on eBay where the same artist is inked by Vince Colletta and Joe Orlando but there's no mention of the inker. (I happen to like Colletta's inking in some cases, but there's a huge difference there. Orlando is a great inker and in some cases may be a selling point, whereas Colletta is an inker that some people would shy away from regardless of the quality of the final product.)

Some types of artwork there's no mention of any artist at all. I don't collect random pages. I may buy pages from comics I haven't read, but then I'm buying it because I like other work by that artist. It's only by accident that I even find some of these pages. I mean  -- how do you sell a Flash page by Carmine Infantino and not list Infantino as the artist?

Like the Sal Buscema/Gerry Talaoc page from Hulk 291 I posted above. Gerry Talaoc's name is even written on the back of the page. His inks were a huge factor in me buying that page at that price. It's not in the item description,it's only because I'm familiar with his style that I even knew it was him.

When the piece only sells for as high a price as it does (or even sells at all) because the buyer recognizes the artist by the art as posted, something's wrong.  One thing is sellers who try to cheat the buyer by omitting information relevant to the pricing of the item (when the truth might lower the price), it's unethical but I can understand WHY they do it. But omitting information that may bring in more bidders? That's like shooting yourself in the foot.

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stuart knight
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Posted: 18 September 2007 at 12:52pm | IP Logged | 2  

Glad you got it sorted; that is a lot of money for a copy.
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Joe Hollon
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Posted: 18 September 2007 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | 3  

" Glad you got it sorted; that is a lot of money for a copy."

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Well, it's not a copy...it's J. Bone's original inks.  Just not the original pencils.  Right?
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Aric Shapiro
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Posted: 18 September 2007 at 12:59pm | IP Logged | 4  

Correct.  It just isn't a Cooke piece, which is what I was under the impression I was buying.  It does appear however to be the piece that was used in the book.  Depends what you are looking ofr I guess.  I wanted Cooke art. This is Boone art as far as I am concerned
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"Note: Pages from The Spirit/Batman and The Spirit are mechanical copies of Darwyn Cooke's pencils on regular comic art stock paper inked Jay Bone. Cooke's finished pencils for both series are not for sale at this time. "

This doesn't take anything away from the totally awesome art

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Actually that takes a helluva lot away from the art. I have had to go after people selling "John Byrne Art" on eBay, when all it is is a tracing of a drawing of mine by some no-name.

If Ari bought that piece as a Darwyn Cooke, he better get his money back. If Cooke's pencils were not on the page, that is not Cooke art.

That description, in fact, borders on (and perhaps crosses over into) fraud.

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Gerry Turnbull
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Posted: 18 September 2007 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | 6  

ive wondered about this for awhile.the pages from Mike Wieringos run on FF were inked on scans by Karl Kesel, does that make them Wieringo and Kesel pages or just Kesel?
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Joe Hollon
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Posted: 18 September 2007 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | 7  

"the pages from Mike Wieringos run on FF were inked on scans by Karl Kesel, does that make them Wieringo and Kesel pages or just Kesel?"

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I would say just Kesel, just as Ari's page is just J. Bone original art.  Since that is how it was produced for the book I would say that makes it more valuable/important than a random inker tracing the work or a recreation...same as Ari's case. 
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Dave Aikins
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Wow, I'm so glad that I wasn't crazy for pointing this out. I actaully saw the Batman/Spirit art last night at Snyders' site and thought "that's not right...".

I actually fully agree with JB that it does take something away from the art, which is why I didn't buy any of the Spirit art myself (something I was fully prepared and waiting to do).

As a fairly new poster to the board, I just didn't want to seem insulting to someone's purchase...

In fairness, Cooke's art tends to be priced much higher then the Bone inks, but I want a Cooke, not a Bone (sounds kinda funny...).
There was a similar problem with some of the Kirby/Theakston Super Powers pages....

Ari, you have a rockin' collection!

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Aric Shapiro
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Really bummed about this.  I'm a big Cooke fan, and was really looking forward to having a Batman done by him :(
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Dave Aikins
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Posted: 18 September 2007 at 2:01pm | IP Logged | 10  

Here's a quick Green Lantern....

Sorry it's not Batman!
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Posted: 18 September 2007 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | 11  

I was almost burned when it came to the Kirby/Theakston Super Power pages. If JB did not own the original Kirby pencils I would have never known all I bought was a Theakston.
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Posted: 18 September 2007 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | 12  

So Ari knows, i'll try to get to get him a headsketch at the next time Darwyn and I are in the LCS at the same time..it happens fairly infrequently, but it does happen.  This was for my daughter at FCBD.



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