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Derek Cavin Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2403
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | 1
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Years ago I paid for a commission from a local artist (don't remember his name now, this was 1992) and he sent me a photocopy proof and that was the last I heard from him.
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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 13704
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | 2
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I don't even know of any other comic artist that DOESN'T take the money up front. Anyone other than JB?
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stuart knight Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 660
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | 3
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I have yet to find another artist willing to work first and be paid after; it is a risk for sure but what other option is there.
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Michael Cross Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 October 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1304
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:21pm | IP Logged | 4
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Every artist i've commissioned has taken payment up front...seems to be the way for the most part, JB notwithstanding.
JB, have you done a commission that someone has turned down, as it wasn't what they were wanting?
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Aric Shapiro Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4349
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:30pm | IP Logged | 5
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Some artists take payment before sending you a final piece, but will show you a rough first, so you get some idea of what direction they are taking. I'd like to also add, that I commission a lot and I've never(knock on wood) had an experience like Gerry's. A few artists have taken longer than anticipated, but in each instance, they emailed me and apologized for not getting the piece done on time.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133515
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | 6
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JB, have you done a commission that someone has turned down, as it wasn't what they were wanting?••• Sure. That's the chance / take. And in a transaction like the, the artist, not the customer, should be the one taking chances.
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John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133515
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | 7
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im going to try and iron out the board.anyone any
tips?
•••
If you have the patience -- and clearly you do! -- rather
than ironing, try pressing it between some big
books. If you wait a few weeks, that should do the
trick.
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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 13704
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | 8
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Ya know what really makes me mad? The excuse artists use AFTER TAKING YOUR MONEY, "sorry I'm late in getting this to you but you have to understand my professional work has to come first."
Once they take the money from you, isn't your commission just as important a professional responsibility as anything from Marvel or DC? I say yes.
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 8146
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | 9
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"If you have the patience -- and clearly you do!"
Ok, this made me laugh out loud at the office.....
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Pat Ditton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2007 Posts: 925
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | 10
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I hope everyone here has learned at least ONE important lesson from this: never, EVER pay for a commission piece in advance.
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Sure. That's the chance / take. And in a transaction like the, the artist, not the customer, should be the one taking chances.
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I like that response --- I sure hope everyone takes note of it. I sure am.
Edited by Pat Ditton on 11 September 2007 at 2:14pm
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Glenn Brown Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3095
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | 11
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With all due respect, JB, I think you're in a different position than many other artists as far as being able to absorb a loss due to customer dissatisfaction.
I just took a commission to do what amounts to a caricature of the client and his wife. If I send him that piece after he approves it via emailed scan without receiving any payment, and he decides after taking delivery that for whatever reason he's not going to pay, what recourse do I have? No one else is going to want a drawing of a guy interpreted as a monster; it would have no meaning for them. I can go on message boards and complain all I want but I have no actual recourse other than small claims court...and for an out of state transaction for a relatively small amount, it wouldn't be worth it. And that's not fair to the artist who is depending upon that money for income.
There has to be a middle ground that's beneficial to both sides. Thus far I've been fortunate to not have any disputes with any transactions because I handle my business in a professional manner...but that goes both ways. I've not screwed anyone but I've also not been screwed by anyone, either. No one has expressed dissatisfaction with my business policies yet and if they did, I would be as flexible as possible to accommodate their concerns...installments...an escrow service, perhaps? But to send someone merchandise without receiving payment for it is just not sound business practice, IMO. Why should commissioning artwork be any different than purchasing any other merchandise? Auction houses don't work in that manner either.
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Aric Shapiro Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | 12
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Glenn, I don't think anyone is saying that you should deliver the art before payment is made, but that the customer should be able to see the art before payment is made. You raised an interesting point "Why should commissioning artwork be any different than purchasing any other merchandise?" I agree entirely. For any other purchase, you actually can see the item before laying out money for the goods. Why should art be any different?
Your point about being able to absorb a loss finds no sympathy here. if a store can't afford to keep well stocked, then the store should close. If an artist cannot afford to take a loss from a rejected piece, then he is in the wrong business.
Having said all that, I have commissioned many artists(yourself included) and have paid upfront before, and I have never been burned yet. The artists I've dealt with, with the exception of one have been a pleasure to deal with and I've been very pleased with the results.
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