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Mark Haslett
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This thread is a wonderful surprise. Does anyone want to take a stab at compiling all that we know about the "X-Men that could have been"? I know there are ideas that run along one track and not another (depending on if Jean lives or not)-- but I would love to see all that is known about the various unrealized plans.
For example, I read once about JB's plans for issue 150, but can't remember what they were. I also love what I've seen about the "wideawake" project-- maybe there's more out there. This thread would be a great place to gather everything there is.
...Provided someone has time to pull the threads together into, say, two competing lists (plans if Jean had lived/plans after Jean died).
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Matthew McCallum
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Capital idea, Mark H. Let's break out those old Comic Journals, Comic Readers, and whatever else we were reading for news around then!
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Matt Hawes
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Wasn't issue #150 when Jean and Scott were going to get married?
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James Revilla
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Magneto vs Phoenix i beleive
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John Byrne
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...two competing lists (plans if Jean had lived/plans after Jean died). *** Tricky, since, as noted, there were also the plans that were abandoned almost as soon as they were conceived. When you're plotting as far ahead as Chris and I used to on UNCANNY, or I used to on FF or ALPHA FLIGHT -- note, 2 years on UNCANNY! -- stuff often gets cooked up and then forgotten. (Well -- I forget. As I have mentioned before, Chris never seemed to forget anything. After I left X-MEN I had this strange feeling I was still plotting it, in a negative way, as Chris used, in order, every thread, arc-part or bit that I had said "no" to -- in order! Even if he had to pound them into different shapes to wrap around characters other than originally intended.)
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John Byrne
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Wasn't issue #150 when Jean and Scott were going to get married? *** As originally plotted, depowered Jean was to be left with the intellectual level of a four year old. So...ewww!
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I'm sure there was "no quarter asked, none given", between Chris and those plots he was pounding on.
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Man, I love this thread!
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Mark Haslett
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Chronoligical lists would be tricky-- perhaps the best thing is to collect all the anecdotes and ideas people recall and just slap 'em into this thread somehow.
-- and I NEVER realized Jean was to be left as an intellectual child. That makes a lot of things clearer to me about what the original plan was and how horrible a punishment Lillandra was enacting.
Was Jean to be condemned to "grow up" again a little at a time? I wonder what the general idea was to be for dealing with such a damaged character?
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I recall an interview where JB said that Jean would be "simple" minded but the Phoenix would pop up...I believe he used her getting jumped coming out of a movie theater....and this lead up to Magneto kidnapping Jean and locking her in a room with "Phoenix". Him having found a way to bring the dormant personality back...and while the team was fighting Magneto to get to her, she was in the room fighting the darker part of herself...
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Cory Vandernet
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Found something in Comics Feature No. 4 July/August 1980.
This excerpt seems to match up with the timeline I found and has the original, original Dark Phoenix ending.
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Astounding. Great, great find Cory.
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