I find it pretty disturbing that anyone is accusing Landry Walker of being anything but reasonable and polite.  He has asked very specific questions -- some no fewer than four times -- and has received no answers.

Why is that, exactly?

I definitely believe Peter over Denny.

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There you have it. Denny O'Neil is a liar. Someone
who wasn't even present -- for any part of this -- says
so. So it must be true.

Pulled out of context, totally glossing over the rest of what I said, sure.

Excuse me.... context? Context?? You say that given the choice, you believe David over Denny. Those are your words. That is your point. What other "context" can be inferred from this???

Two "versions" of the same story. One is consistent. One isn't. That should be all the "answers" needed.

Answers have been given many times, bu they seem to not satisfy.

Well, I know why I am here and not over there.

Mister B. is not a liar.

It's interesting that we've had such a long thread over an incident which, at its core, neither JB or PAD disputes actually occurred:

JB originally posted this:

"Peter David handed out xeroxes of Guardian's death at a con about a month before the book shipped."

PAD responded that this was one of "several popular lies that (JB) likes to tell about me." OK, first off, that seems like loaded language -- "a lie" -- especially considering that -- no matter how lengthy the debate goes on -- he doesn't dispute what basically happened.

Now, I've had former employees, very much disgruntled, state that "that bastard Stephen fired me right before Christmas!" The only thing in that statement that's a "lie" is my legitimacy. Otherwise, yes, the person was fired. And yes, it occurred in December but I tend not to give quarter to employees who decide to not show up for work (early Christmas vacations are frowned upon).

But let's break this down further, OK?

JB: "Peter David handed out xeroxes of Guardian's death at a con"

PAD: "Number one, it wasn't at a convention; it was at a get-together for retailers."

SER: This has been argued already -- JB says it was a con, I believe, as he was doing signing. However, this doesn't dispute what happened. It merely debates locale.

PAD: "Number two, it wasn't Guardian's death. It was an unlettered two page dream sequence in which Heather was seeing a dessicated Guardian tearing out the ground."

SER: I wasn't there, so I can't state definitevely what was on those pages. However, this strikes me as "legalese." JB said "Guardian's death" -- and while we might read that as being "Guardian's death scene," that's not exactly what JB said. Also, my sense is that readers were aware by this point that a member of Alpha Flight was going to die. Even if this is a dream sequence, that strikes me as thin ice as far as a spoiler would go. Show pages from a love scene or anything but something that would imply that someone's died.

PAD: "Number three, it was part of a package of about two dozen photocopied highlights from assorted Marvel titles. Number four, the material in question was handed to me by Denny O'Neil, the book's editor when I--in my capacity as sales manager at the time--was going around collecting material to put into the package. And when I said to him, "Are you sure you want me to include this in the material?" Denny replied, "Sure, what's the harm?" "

SER: This, again, doesn't dispute what happened. It basically just attempts to justify the action. I've had former employees who grumpily stated to others that "Robinson fired me right before Christmas!" Yes, it was December and the employee deserved to be fired. However, that doesn't change the veracity of the statement "Robinson fired me before Christmas".

PAD: "Number five, retailers at the get together had no idea that the sequence actually indicated that Guardian really died. I know this because when John showed up at the get-together, he looked at the material, screamed at me at the top of his lungs, "How could you be showing this to retailers?!? It gives away the fact that Guardian dies!" and stormed out of the room, slowing only long enough to kick over a standing ashtray on his way out. At which point stunned retailers said, "Guardian DIES?," started looking at the xeroxes again, and were muttering, "I thought it was just a dream sequence..."

SER: While I suppose the point of this statement is to imply that JB -- in his fury -- spoiled something that was in no danger of being spoiled, it still doesn't change the fact that "xeroxes were handed out of Guardian's death."

Everything I've read since then has blamed Denny O'Neil this or basically accused him of *lying* without justification. Other statements have focused on how JB handled this -- that he should have "gotten over this" or that he shouldn't have lost his temper in the first place and so on. If people feel a need to debate that, fine, however, I don't see how it changes what JB originally said or how anything presented so far makes that statement "a lie."

I admit that it also concerns me that PAD implied that the original poster who asked JB about the Guardian incident was merely providing a "set-up line" (I guess for JB to zing PAD). I think that if you assume malicious intent, then it's disingenious to be upset when others assume malicious intent regarding your actions.

Just saying, is all.