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John Mietus
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Gerhard started with issue 66. So really, the art team of Sim/Gerhard ran
234 issues.
Which is still damned impressive.
Edited by John Mietus on 24 August 2006 at 11:40am
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Matt Reed
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Admittedly, I'm not sure if he would end up being the champ,but it grates that the two bozos mentioned above might take the crown. |
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I would hardly call Bagley a "bozo". Different strokes and all, but I love his work. Just because it may not suit you or that it's on a title you don't like, doesn't qualify him as a "bozo".
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Jeff Lommel
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Perhaps I started this thread drift, with my criticism of Bendis' dialogue, and for that I'm sorry. Mark Bagley is a class act and I'm a big fan, he deserves all the accolades for professionalism and comittment that come with putting together such a reliable run of work. I never expected this thread to turn like it did from that point, so again, even though I stand by what I said about Bendis' writing, I'm sorry to have brought it up.
Edited by Jeff Lommel on 24 August 2006 at 12:21pm
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Jason Powell
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"Gerhard started with issue 66. So really, the art
team of Sim/Gerhard ran
234 issues. Which is still damned impressive."
I agree. And note, it was just those two, doing
*everything*. The credits basically go
Writer: Dave Sim
Art: Dave Sim/Gerhard
Letters: Dave Sim
Even Lee and Kirby needed an extra guy to do the
lettering!
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Andrew W. Farago
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I don't see anything about Bendis and Bagley's run
that makes it not "count" as a single creative team
(plus inker Art Thibert, who I think has inked every
issue, and never gets mentioned. Not sure about
the colorist or letterer...) producing more consecutive
monthly issues than Stan and Jack did with the
Fantastic Four.
Twenty-two pages (or more), every month (or faster),
with occasional side projects, too...that's a big
accomplishment, period. The fact that they weren't
starting from scratch shouldn't count against them
any more than it should if someone were about to
finish up their 105th issue of Batman or Superman.
It's been a while since I read Ultimate Spider-Man,
but there was definitely more to it than just updating
the slang and making the villains more bad-ass.
The writing reflects a different sensibility than we had
when Stan was writing the FF, and the pacing and
plotting are handled differently, but that's the nature
of the comics industry as much as anything. It's
possible that a more classic approach to the comic
storytelling wouldn't have gone over very well and
that Bendis and Bagley would've been replaced after
a year of it (or the whole Ultimate line could've been
cancelled after two years).
Anyway, it's a legitimate record, and hopefully it will
inspire other creative teams to try for the same
longevity and consistency in their own works, which
wouldn't be a bad thing at all, would it? They could
go on for 200 issues, and none of that would
diminish Stan and Jack's run on the Fantastic Four
in the slightest, either.
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Eric Ladd
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Art Thibert was dropped as the inker on the book and as an inker at M***** when something happened regarding his contract. I am not fit to explain beyond that because I barely remember the circumstances except that they seemed rather unfair to Art Thibert.
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David Kingsley Kingsley
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"Ultimate Spider-Man, I would say, is neither better nor worse than the Lee/Ditko work. It's different. "
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"Someone. Hold. Me. Back."---Grek Kirkman
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Greg, I know I haven't been posting here a long time. I respect your opinions a lot, although several of them I do not subscribe to. I respect the beliefs you have on what the comic book industry should be, what is wrong with it, and what would readily rectify it. My internet server was down recently so I didn't get the chance to respond to a post of yours in which I found myself in direct agreement with. Might I inquire, though, about what you need someone to hold you back from? At the risk of sounding antagonistic (and please let me express that it is not at all my purpose to be so), what is your problem with Bendis? Moreso, what is your problem if someone enjoys his work as being different from Lee and Ditko's work and expresses such a sentiment?
Edited by David Kingsley Kingsley on 24 August 2006 at 2:44pm
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Greg Kirkman
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It was a joke!
I hold no ill will towards any Bendis fans, even though I VASTLY prefer Lee and Ditko's run.
Edited by Greg Kirkman on 25 August 2006 at 11:44am
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Roger A Ott II
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Greg Kirkman: I hold no ill will towards any Bendis fans, even though I VASTLY prefer Lee and Ditko's run.
I vastly prefer Lee and Ditko's Spider-Man to any other run by any other creative team on any other comic book ever (even beating out my favorite Iron Man comics), but I'm also able to enjoy the Bendis/Bagley book as well, on it's own merits.
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Greg Kirkman
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Here's a question....what makes more of an impact in our minds, really short runs that are really good, or really long runs that have some ups and downs, but are mostly good?
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Derek Cavin
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The short runs are more memorable. But I would prefer the long run that is up and down (which is 80% of my comic collection).
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Kurt Anderson
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Honestly, if you're phrasing the question as, "Name a great run of comics", the first things that pop into my mind...
Certain runs of LSH
Adams/O'Neal on Batman
Gibbon's Green Lantern (for some strange reason).
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