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José Emilio Amo
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Did the Graphic Novels at the time have some kind of "Suggested for Mature Readers" label?
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Nothing at the Sienkiewicz cover, the cover was clean of parental advisory
they just assumed that the format and the high price ($6.95/7.95) would keep kids away.
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I don't think so, I bought several GN and if I spent 3 or 4 $ in comics
in a week when I bought a GN I spent twice that amount, that book was
all I got in 2 weeks, it was not so expensive for the kids. I think the
difference is that you only can buy the GN in comic-shops (where they
assumed the kids didn't go) and not everywhere, that is my experience
at Spain
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John Mietus
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Jason Fulton wrote:
Wow, the dialogue from that Dazzler sequence is
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Go back and re-read Secret Wars sometime.
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Sam Houston
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David wrote: "I would do about anything to get my mitts on the She Hulk GN."
No need to deprive your child of college, just yet. I am selling my copy (in excellent condition) for $4.00 (plus shipping & handling), so let me know.
Jason wrote: Why does the fat producer have receding hair in one sex scene and a full head of hair in the other? Does he wear a toupee to bed?
There is a page that shows the producer getting ready after the girl leaves, and, yes, he wears a toupee and other other items to make himself look younger and thinner when in public.
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Flavio Sapha
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Did the Graphic Novels at the time have some kind of "Suggested for Mature
Readers" label?
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IIRC, in those days, the absence of the Comics Code Authority seal was
enough to guarantee it was not meant for kids.
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Thanos Kollias
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I think Flavio nailed it with the CCA remark.
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David Perrin
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Sam Houston, you gotta deal!
How do we make this happen?
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Marcus Hiltz
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You could tell that this was a serious piece of literature because it's written by "James" Shooter.
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John Byrne
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I think (and I'm just guessing) at the time, they just assumed that the format and the high price ($6.95/7.95) would keep kids away. After all, these weren't comic books they were "Graphic Novels". Why would a kid be interested in them anyway.*** It is important to remember that most people working in comics have a hard time seeing the forest because of all those damn trees in the way. The coming of "graphic novels", and the decision to make the material therein more "adult" (at least until they became the dumping ground for unused miniseries and annuals), was all too typical of this kind of myopic thinking. "Look! We have a new format! This will announce to the world that the content is different!" Uh huh. Like to Joe Average the format of a comic book means diddly. Alas, this kind of foolishness got locked in, and in one form or another persists to this day. (Even Frank Miller, who knows his sh*t, slipped on this one, along with so many others. The idea that the format, the price or -- oh. my. god. -- the paper stock! would somehow "announce" the content.) Civilians know almost nothing about what's going on in the production of comic books. (Heck, most fans don't have a clue!) To civilians if it has words and pictures in boxes on each pages, it's a comic, and comics are for kids. Which means that "mature" subject matter is smut-being-sold-to-kids. And, of course, if we have mothers whose response to "questionable" material is to do nothing more than roll their eyes -- there's a whole 'nother problem. If I'd picked up that issue of SHE-HULK when I was nine, and my mother had had a problem with it, she'd have made me put it back. Whether or not the issue itself was perfectly innocent would have made no difference.
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Charles Jones
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Why does dazzler look like a waffle house waitress in that GN?
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John Byrne
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Why does dazzler look like a waffle house waitress in that GN? **** Remember -- comic books, especially superhero comic books, were, are, and likely shall remain largely a boys club. And when it comes to fashion, most boys' have no clue.
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Charles Jones
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Very few of the Graphic Novels appealed to me back then, I liked She-Hulk because I became a fan of her in the FF and I liked the Bernie Wrightson one and the Captain Marvel one. Other than that they just were awkward books that i couldn't fit into my collection back then, I didn't like the size at all, to me bigger wasn't better.
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Sam Houston
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David:
I'm at work right now, but e-mail me at my home e-mail: srjedi@earthlink.net and I will find out what it costs to mail it (safely, of course) and will let you know.
Peace!
Sam
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