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Darragh Greene
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Posted: 02 July 2006 at 10:09am | IP Logged | 1  

What about James Joyce, Robert? When will you apologise for that slur?
'Mental masturbation', indeed! ;-)
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Ah, yeah, sorry. Heh. I was irritated by something else that weeded it's way in there. Part of me admires the guys ambition and artistry, but, Jesus, even his wife hated his books...

It's one think to "challenge" your readers through your content, but to "challenge" your readers with a confusing structure is really silly to me. Granted I've only read "Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man."
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You must read Dubliners, Robert, especially the final tale, 'The Dead';
if you read it, I guarantee you'll see a whole other side of well-wrought
story to Joyce, and nary a confusion of structure in sight.
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Robert White
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I might do that. Though I've heard frightening tales about Finnegan's Wake...
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Martin Redmond
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Given most fights in comics start over a miscommunication or people not checking their facts first, you'd think comic fans would know to research a little first.
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At this risk of turning this into another Alan Moore thread, let us pause a moment to review the reality here, shall we?

Moore produces a pornographic comic using characters from beloved children's books, none of which were created or owned by him, one of which is owned by a Charity Children's Hospital that is taking legal measures to protect their property.

Someone posts to this board announcing his gleeful intent to support Moore's project.

In my book, that person is an asshole, first class.

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Sounds about right.
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Look, I wasn't trying to pick a fight.  I never said you insulted me personally, or that I was offended on anyone else's behalf.  The asshole comment stood out not as offensive per se, but since it was so out of left field I had one of those "Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?" moments.  All I was doing was trying to offer the perspective of someone who isn't a regular poster.  Whatever image you want to project on your own website is certainly no one's business but your own.  But I felt that the thread was taking on a tone of why people would get a negative image of Mr. Byrne.  I was pointing out some examples.  If I offended, I apologize.
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If the person supporting such a book is an asshole, then what does that make the creator?

How long can something as fundamentally unhealthy and uncreative as deconstruction last as a "literary" fad? It's just boring now.
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Andy Mokler
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"Moore produces a pornographic comic using characters from beloved children's books, none of which were created or owned by him, one of which is owned by a Charity Children's Hospital that is taking legal measures to protect their property. "

I guess I don't understand where the angst is coming from.  Is it because Moore is using beloved characters or that children might mistakenly get hold of the story(s) in question or that he's used copyrighted characters without permission?

In fact, I don't have the same impression of the story itself as others seem to.  I'm not going to buy the book, but that's because it's $75 and that's way more than I'd spend on anything that I was just curious about.  But the premise and description offered in Previews was more along the lines of a coming of age tale of these characters, not 12 year old girls being abused. 

Also, didn't Moore create this 16 years ago?  If the copyright angle is the problem for you, wouldn't the publishers be more at fault than Moore, at this time, for reproducing it?

My knowledge of these fictional characters is limited to what Disney put into cartoon form so I admit that my fondness for them isn't very deep.  To me, Moore is(was) just someone experimenting with and expanding the character beyond it's original form.  Moore's story, good or bad, wouldn't change my impression or feeling of the characters as originally written.

 

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"But the premise and description offered in Previews was more along the lines of a coming of age tale of these characters, not 12 year old girls being abused. "

Newsarama linked to a site with pictures from the book, which depicted the characters as kids, naked.
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Darren Taylor
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Would you "get it" Andy, if Moore produceda Graphic Novel of Spider-Man without Marvels concent as an 80 year old paedophile?
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