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Roger A Ott II
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Jason Czeskleba: If indeed there is an overall sales increase (which there indeed seems to be, looking at the charts) I guess the bigger, more important question is whether a significant amount of new readers has been recruited. If not, then the sales increase we are seeing is nothing more than a mini version of the speculator boom... existing buyers being energized by event books to buy multiple copies and create a sales upswing.
I doubt that there is a huge influx of new readers, and while some people are probably buying multiple copies, I'd wager it's more along the lines of just more of the existing fanbase buying the event book.
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Michael Roberts
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Here is the top 300:
http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/june06charts.html
Again, look at the chart once you get to the mid 30s. The books are selling in the 50,000 range. If you cross out 52 and the Civil War books, the chart looks pretty much the same as the past few years. And the lower tier books, which from my memory were selling in the 20,000 - 30,000 range are now selling in the 10,000 - 20,000 range.
These events are great in the short term. But I can't help feeling that the situation is similar to what happened with ABC and "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?" It was a ratings hit and ABC capitalized on it by airing it on multiple days. But once people got bored of it, ABC was struggling for a very long time.
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Joe Zhang
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"These events are great in the short term."
I agree. The industry is just putting off the real problem of getting
new generations of kids into American comic books. That is one deadline
the publishers cannot arbitrarily push back.
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Chad Carter
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"You'd know if you read it. Obviously you haven't, yet you feel the need to toss around bullshit as if it's fact. Thanks for the read, however, as I now know not to put any credence in what you write concerning topics you'd rather spout off about than take the time to have an informed opinion."
You know, nobody's tossing around bullshit except you, friend. I'm not the one launching into a profanity laced tirade. You're not following the point of anything I wrote to begin with. The argument was not about the quality of this particular version of the Eternals but the pretentious need to "update" something that is tied to a particular creator and has had, up to now, maybe two short-lived attempts to further those ideas. And my saying that, philosphically, I find it a little disingenuous is enough to send you into a fit of pique?
It sounds like a bunch of Gaiman fellatio. But I'd probably be on the other side of this if it was Steve Rude and/or John Byrne on this thing. I'll admit I'm a little bit of a hypocrite in this regard. I have never grasped the Gaiman love.
Still love your avatar, Mr. Reed.
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Roger A Ott II
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Chad Carter: It sounds like a bunch of Gaiman fellatio. But I'd probably be on the other side of this if it was Steve Rude and/or John Byrne on this thing. I'll admit I'm a little bit of a hypocrite in this regard. I have never grasped the Gaiman love.
What's that got to do with it? I've only read one other thing of Gaiman's before the Eternals series, and that was a novel. But I do like his ETERNALS work right now.
However, your admitted hypocrisy makes all of your other posts in this thread pretty pointless.
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John Mietus
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Matt Linton wrote:
We have the numbers, but no real way of knowing how
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And those numbers are what were shipped to the comic shops, right? Not
the actual number of comics sold from those shops? I mean, just because we
know Diamond shipped 100 copies of Civil War #3 to The Android's
Dungeon doesn't mean that The Android's Dungeon isn't sitting on a box of
87 unsold copies.
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Matt Linton
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Miniseries aren't good indicators, as there isn't really a good way for stores to adjust their orders. But if you take something like New Avengers #20 or Astonishing X-Men #15 you get a better idea. Neither is part of a big event, and both books have been around for long enough for stores to adjust their orders.
Until the comic industry does something along the same lines as the music industry, it's pretty difficult to get an idea of actual copies sold, and how many individual readers there are.
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Mark McConnell
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Gaiman writes good stuff, and he writes bad stuff. I didn't like 1602, but I liked much (though not all) of Sandman. So far, two issues in, I have enjoyed the Eternals. Is this a book supposedly redefining them? So far I don't see it. But I do see an interesting mystery with some superpowers not yet being exploited in it. I'm still with the story.
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Matt Reed
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Chad Carter wrote:
You know, nobody's tossing around bullshit except
you, friend. I'm not the one launching into a profanity laced tirade. |
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Eye of the beholder. Also, "profanity laced" usually means more than one
word, but it's not too surprising you'd fall back on exaggeration as it's
painfully evident by your posts in this thread that's your MO.
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You're not following the point of anything I wrote to begin with.
The argument was not about the quality of this particular version of the
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Yet you continually make reference to how bad you think this mini series
is without having read a single page. Interesting.
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...but the pretentious need to "update" something that is tied to a
particular creator and has had, up to now, maybe two short-lived
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If you had read the series in question, you'd know that this isn't an
"update" at all, but putting back the pieces of the puzzle that were left
scattered after the last Eternals go-round by another creator entirely.
That again, of course, would require one to actually, you know, know
what one is talking about. BTW, the Eternals, as characters, have been
used far more than just twice since Kirby's hands have touched them.
The characters and concepts have seen use in a ton of comics since their
debut. Try as you might, ignoring reality won't do anything to bolster
your argument.
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And my saying that, philosphically, I find it a little disingenuous is
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"A fit of pique"? Whatever, dude.
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Again with the mind reading. Amazing. Really. You need to harness this
power for good. This is actually the first and only thing I've read by
Gaiman. I like it. Hardly "Gaiman fellatio". But keep on keepin' on with
your badass Kreskin skills.
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I'll admit I'm a little bit of a hypocrite in this regard. I have never
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Ah, now everything is clear. I'll ditto what Roger said up thread.
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Jason Fulton
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I've found that I really enjoy Gaiman's novels / short stories, but his comics are very hit-and-miss for me - my enjoyment of a given Gaiman comic is usually very dependent on the artist, and even that won't always save it (see: 1602). But I don't think it's a coincidence that the issues of SANDMAN I enjoyed were the ones with Buckingham/Russel/Vess art.
JRJR did a creator-owned book? Can I get some information on that, I'd like to check it out.
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James Hanson
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It was from Image and a TPB is available.It was called the Grey Area.
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Wayne Osborne
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Written by a buddy of mine, Glenn Brunswick. Nice art, good story.
WO
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