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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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These overall numbers are better, but look at the list as a whole. The top 20 is mostly comprised of miniseries, one-shots, and #1s. Eleven of these books will not exist in a year. Once you get past the mid-30s, the books are selling below at 50,000 and below. It's great for the short-term, but I can't see Marvel and DC lasting forever on event books.
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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology
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Using ICV2.com's number, the Top 200 from June 2005
1 |
347.82 |
HOUSE OF M #1 (OF 8)* |
$2.99 |
MAR |
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233,763 |
2 |
251.42 |
HOUSE OF M #2 (OF 8)* |
$2.99 |
MAR |
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168,974 |
3 |
240.41 |
NEW AVENGERS #6* |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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161,575 |
4 |
175.3 |
GREEN LANTERN #2 |
$2.99 |
DC |
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117,816 |
5 |
169.77 |
SUPERMAN BATMAN #20 |
$2.99 |
DC |
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114,099 |
6 |
141.91 |
JLA #115 |
$2.50 |
DC |
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95,375 |
7 |
140.44 |
VILLAINS UNITED #2 (OF 6) |
$2.50 |
DC |
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94,387 |
8 |
139.88 |
OMAC PROJECT #3 (OF 6) |
$2.50 |
DC |
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94,011 |
9 |
135.73 |
UNCANNY X-MEN #461* |
$2.50 |
MAR |
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91,221 |
10 |
126.66 |
SPIDER-MAN HOUSE OF M #1 (OF 5) |
$2.99 |
MAR |
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85,126 |
11 |
124.69 |
RANN THANAGAR WAR #2 (OF 6) |
$2.50 |
DC |
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83,802 |
12 |
122.69 |
UNCANNY X-MEN #460 |
$2.50 |
MAR |
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82,457 |
13 |
119.49 |
X-MEN #171 |
$2.50 |
MAR |
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80,307 |
14 |
118.96 |
WOLVERINE #29 |
$2.50 |
MAR |
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79,951 |
15 |
118.17 |
ULT SPIDER-MAN #78 |
$2.50 |
MAR |
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79,420 |
16 |
117.38 |
X-MEN #172 |
$2.50 |
MAR |
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78,889 |
17 |
116.97 |
ULTIMATE X-MEN #60 |
$2.50 |
MAR |
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78,613 |
18 |
116.72 |
DAY O/VENGEANCE #3 (OF 6) |
$2.50 |
DC |
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78,445 |
19 |
110.28 |
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #521 |
$2.50 |
MAR |
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74,117 |
20 |
104.96 |
TEEN TITANS #25 |
$2.50 |
DC |
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70,542 |
From 2004
1 |
226.48 |
IDENTITY CRISIS #1 (Of 7)*** |
$3.95 |
DC |
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163,111 |
2 |
225.07 |
SUPERMAN #206 |
$2.50 |
DC |
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162,095 |
3 |
185.76 |
ASTONISHING X-MEN #2 |
$2.99 |
MAR |
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133,784 |
4 |
145.5 |
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #60 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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104,789 |
5 |
140.46 |
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #61 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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101,159 |
6 |
140.2 |
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #6 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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100,972 |
7 |
138.08 |
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #7 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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99,445 |
8 |
136.99 |
UNCANNY X-MEN #445 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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98,660 |
9 |
134.35 |
X-MEN #158 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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96,759 |
10 |
134.26 |
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #8 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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96,694 |
11 |
132.26 |
ULTIMATE X-MEN #47 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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95,254 |
12 |
130.85 |
ULTIMATE X-MEN #48 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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94,238 |
13 |
122.59 |
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #509 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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88,289 |
14 |
116.56 |
WOLVERINE END #4 (Of 6) (RES) |
$2.99 |
MAR |
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83,947 |
15 |
114.85 |
MARVEL KNIGHTS SPIDER-MAN #3 |
$2.99 |
MAR |
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82,715 |
16 |
114.23 |
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #508 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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82,268 |
17 |
104.74 |
JLA #100 (Note Price) |
$3.50 |
DC |
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75,434 |
18 |
100 |
BATMAN #629 |
$2.25 |
DC |
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72,020 |
19 |
93.75 |
WOLVERINE #16 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
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67,519 |
20 |
92.23 |
TEEN TITANS #12 |
$2.50 |
DC |
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66,424 |
From 2003:
1 |
100 |
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BATMAN #616 |
$2.25 |
DC |
141,736 |
2 |
78.1 |
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ULTIMATE X-MEN #34 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
110,753 |
3 |
70.7 |
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ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #42 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
100,151 |
4 |
70.5 |
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WOLVERINE #2 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
99,867 |
5 |
69.1 |
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NEW X-MEN #142 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
97,897 |
6 |
64.6 |
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UNCANNY X-MEN #425 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
91,547 |
7 |
63.3 |
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UNCANNY X-MEN #426 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
89,719 |
8 |
48.4 |
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INCREDIBLE HULK #56 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
68,529 |
9 |
47.4 |
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TRANSFORMERS GENERATION ONE VOL 2 #3 (Of 6) |
$2.95 |
DRE |
67,211 |
10 |
47.2 |
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VENOM #2 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
66,956 |
11 |
47.1 |
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SPIDER-MAN & WOLVERINE #1 (Of 4) |
$2.99 |
MAR |
66,729 |
12 |
45.1 |
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X-TREME X-MEN #27 |
$2.99 |
MAR |
63,923 |
13 |
44.8 |
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BORN #1 (Of 4) (MR) |
$3.50 |
MAR |
63,554 |
14 |
42.2 |
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DAREDEVIL #48 |
$2.99 |
MAR |
59,869 |
15 |
41.3 |
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JLA #82 |
$2.25 |
DC |
58,480 |
16 |
40.6 |
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AVENGERS #68 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
57,587 |
17 |
37.4 |
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FANTASTIC FOUR #70 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
53,066 |
18 |
35.3 |
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MARVEL UNIVERSE THE END #6 (Of 6) |
$2.99 |
MAR |
50,004 |
19 |
34.4 |
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PETER PARKER SPIDER-MAN #57 |
$2.25 |
MAR |
48,686 |
20 |
33.6 |
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OUTSIDERS #1 |
$2.50 |
DC |
47,666 |
From 2002:
1 |
289.57 |
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TRANSFORMERS GENERATION ONE #3 |
$2.95 |
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DRE |
131,586 |
2 |
260.12 |
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SPIDER-MAN/BLACK CAT EVIL THAT MEN DO #1 (Of 4) |
$2.99 |
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MAR |
118,204 |
3 |
219.34 |
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NEW X-MEN #127 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
99,672 |
4 |
218.9 |
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ULTIMATES #6 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
99,473 |
5 |
217.9 |
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NEW X-MEN #128 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
99,018 |
6 |
212.44 |
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AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #42 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
96,537 |
7 |
204.25 |
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ULTIMATE X-MEN #19 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
92,815 |
8 |
194.64 |
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UNCANNY X-MEN #407 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
88,448 |
9 |
192.6 |
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ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #23 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
87,521 |
10 |
149.73 |
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SPIDER-MAN BLUE #2 (Of 6) |
$3.50 |
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MAR |
68,040 |
11 |
148.66 |
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GREEN ARROW #15 (RES) |
$2.50 |
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DC |
67,554 |
12 |
148.43 |
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WOLVERINE #177 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
67,450 |
13 |
148.42 |
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CAPTAIN AMERICA #3 |
$2.99 |
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MAR |
67,445 |
14 |
148.3 |
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WOLVERINE #178 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
67,390 |
15 |
147.87 |
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X-TREME X-MEN #14 |
$2.99 |
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MAR |
67,195 |
16 |
144.88 |
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GI JOE #7 |
$2.95 |
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IMA |
65,836 |
17 |
131.34 |
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JLA #67 |
$2.25 |
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DC |
59,684 |
18 |
117.14 |
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SPIDER-MAN PETER PARKER #45 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
53,231 |
19 |
114.61 |
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MICRONAUTS #1 |
$2.95 |
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IMA |
52,081 |
20 |
113.32 |
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AVENGERS #55 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
51,495 |
From 2001:
1 |
323.84 |
133,056 |
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NEW X-MEN #115* |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
2 |
317.13 |
130,299 |
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UNCANNY X-MEN #395* |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
3 |
278.24 |
114,320 |
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X-TREME X-MEN #2* |
$2.99 |
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MAR |
4 |
245.18 |
100,737 |
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ULTIMATE X-MEN #7 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
5 |
209.23 |
85,966 |
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PUNISHER #1 |
$2.99 |
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MAR |
6 |
200.4 |
82,338 |
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GREEN ARROW #5 |
$2.50 |
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DC |
7 |
196.5 |
80,736 |
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ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #10 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
8 |
187.35 |
76,976 |
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AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #32 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
9 |
171.92 |
70,637 |
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JLA #55 |
$2.25 |
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DC |
10 |
170.13 |
69,901 |
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DAREDEVIL YELLOW #1 (RES) |
$3.50 |
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MAR |
11 |
166.47 |
68,398 |
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WOLVERINE #165 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
12 |
157.31 |
64,634 |
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AVENGERS #43 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
13 |
156.5 |
64,301 |
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BATTLE CHASERS #9 |
$3.50 |
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IMA |
14 |
155.76 |
63,997 |
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BROTHERHOOD #2* |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
15 |
141.82 |
58,270 |
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DAREDEVIL #19 |
$2.99 |
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MAR |
16 |
137.55 |
56,515 |
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ULTIMATE MARVEL TEAM UP #5 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
17 |
136.05 |
55,899 |
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EXILES #1 |
$2.99 |
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MAR |
18 |
126.17 |
51,839 |
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SPAWN #111 |
$2.50 |
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IMA |
19 |
125.56 |
51,589 |
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FANTASTIC FOUR #44 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
20 |
124.82 |
51,285 |
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PETER PARKER SPIDER-MAN #32 |
$2.25 |
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MAR |
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Matt Linton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 30 July 2006 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | 3
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"It's great for the short-term, but I can't see Marvel and DC lasting forever on event books."
I agree. Marvel, supposedly, is taking it easy next year and focusing on "smaller" events. It'll be interesting to see if sales stay level or if they drop back down.
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Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 30 July 2006 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | 4
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I wonder how many actual regular comic buyers there are? 75,000? 50,000? I can't imagine it's much more that that.
And I'm amazed anyone buys multiple copies of anything these days.
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Matt Linton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 30 July 2006 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | 5
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Those numbers don't take into account people who only buy trades, subscribers, or the random issues bought at bookstores. Not to mention that not everyone is buying all of those titles (I dropped 52 around issue 3, Wolverine Origins after the 1st issue, and I'm waiting for the trade on Justice). It's nearly impossible to guage how many actual buyers there are, and Marvel and DC probably don't really care.
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Posted: 30 July 2006 at 8:55pm | IP Logged | 6
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Chad Carter wrote:
What's laughable is how supporters of comics, superhero comics specifically, look at an Eternals comic by Gaiman and think, "This is what we need. This will heal the awful schism between what we need as great comics and the high school level Manga-esque tripe pervading the headliners." |
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Now because I like Gaiman and JRjr's ETERNALS book, supposedly I'm thinking that it's because it'll "heal the awful schism" you see in comics? Wow, you've done a ton of mind reading across the board in this thread, Chad, but this has to take the cake. I like it because I like it. I'm not looking to this book to heal anything. No one book ever could. I enjoy it, therefore I'll tell others about it. I'm not a "supporter" of anything but books I find entertaining. Heaven forbid that I might just possibly like ETERNALS. God forbid I tell anyone about it. Damn me for liking a book that, in your mind, isn't working to "better" the industry save that it's a good story well told.
Give me a friggin' break.
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I shrug off the Spirit because, as indicated, I believe the new series is under a watchful eye. Cooke is going to do right by the Spirit, it's in his wheelhouse, he's a grand talent himself with the correct sensibilities. Who knows about Gaiman and the Eternals? Jesus, who cares? One more poorly executed comic to join all the rest? Sing the praises. |
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You'd know if you read it. Obviously you haven't, yet you feel the need to toss around bullshit as if it's fact. Thanks for the read, however, as I now know not to put any credence in what you write concerning topics you'd rather spout off about than take the time to have an informed opinion.
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Joe Mayer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 30 July 2006 at 9:29pm | IP Logged | 7
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Wow, it is pretty interesting to look at those numbers. Thanks for posting them all. I keep hearing so many people say that the industry is in the worst shape it has ever been in, but when you look at a five year grouping we have a 37% increase over 2001 with a consistently steady increase over the last three. Yes, I would expect next June to be a bit smaller than this June. We have a lot of number ones out there as well. But I wouldn't be surprised to see it still above the 2005 numbers.
Say what you want about people like Joe Q and Didio, but they are doing their job and it is showing. I just wish thee was some way to include the non-direct market numbers.
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Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member
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If indeed there is an overall sales increase (which there indeed seems to be, looking at the charts) I guess the bigger, more important question is whether a significant amount of new readers has been recruited. If not, then the sales increase we are seeing is nothing more than a mini version of the speculator boom... existing buyers being energized by event books to buy multiple copies and create a sales upswing.
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Matt Linton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 30 July 2006 at 11:28pm | IP Logged | 9
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That's the thing, though. We have the numbers, but no real way of knowing how many people are buying multiple copies. Personally, I don't remember the last time I saw someone buying more than one copy of a book, but I'm sure there are many people that have seen just the opposite. It's all anecdotal at this point.
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Matt Timson Byrne Robotics Member
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This thread totally cracks me up! I've got my faults and I'd like to think that I
know what they are, but I'm at least able to say "sorry, my mistake", when
the occasion arises...
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Ed Love Byrne Robotics Member
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Keep in mind, that these lists only show the performance of the top 20 comics. While it may give you an idea of the industry, it shouldn't be considered accurate and it doesn't support sweeping statements that the industry is in better shape now than it was before. We'd need far more numbers for that kind of analysis. All they really do tell us is that from Marvel & DC's perspective, event books do sell, at least in the short term. The question becomes, are those kind of numbers sustainable, can they become the new standard? If the books that aren't currently connected to any kind of stunt are selling pretty much the same as before or less, then the picture isn't quite so rosey.
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Dave Carr Byrne Robotics Member
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It's very possible that the comic book audience is still shrinking. The reason the numbers are going up is because the few that remain are getting older, presumably getting higher paying jobs, and can afford to buy more books than they did in years past.
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