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Matt Reed
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Not the same thing as transposing letters, but whatever floats your boat, dude!

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It isn't like comic books are the only medium that loses a lot in the translation. Look at the Tom Clancy movies (Red October, Patriot Games, Sum of all Fears, Clear and Present Danger) and see how a good deal of that stuff gets screwed up in the movie version. Red October was fairly close except that they left out or just glossed over about 40% of the story, but in The Sum of All Fears, the movie has about 15% of it's content being pretty close to the book (and that includes some times having the right charachter name, but nothing else about the charachter right) and the other 85% is something that sarted off vaguely resembling the book and then spiraled off into the cosmos somewhere.

 

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Oh, a question for John Webb: Any chance you could find out if Marvel reprints in the UK did any better during various movie runs?  Given how they are much more available to the public than American originals, it would be interesting to see if they had any sales increase.  (sounds like we are a similar age by the way, as my comics experience growing up was very much like yours)

So far I have pretty much failed to get any regular sales figures for the Panini reprints though I think I read that they average around 45,000 copies sold per month. One thing Panini did do though was launch mags to coincide with films. Batman and the Fantastic four both turned up at my local Newsagents about three months before each respective film was released.

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I've been making that point now for roughly five
pages!

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I have been making it for most of my career. This is why I want to track down and kill people who say "It's only a movie!" when something like SPIDER-MAN garbles the source, or X-MEN actually scoffs at it. 40 years later, a large part of the population still thinks of Adam West when they hear the name "Batman". Even positive reviews of excellent fare like BATMAN BEGINS cannot resist references. More people will see the new X-MEN movie that read all the issues of their series (all the series!) that I worked on combined. Heck, combine ticket sales and DVDs with TV showings, and probably more people have seen the three X-MEN movies than have read all the comics combined.

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Having hardcore civilians for parents, I've discovered over time that most people go to the movies for--Surprise!--entertainment. The general public doesn't care about logic or specifics too much, as long as it's all entertaining.

So why not do comic-based movies right?

When they aren't done right, you get a handful of kids going to a comic shop after the movie and asking why the comics aren't just like the movie. UGH.

 

If people can accept Tom Cruise wearing a rubber Phillip Seymour Hoffman mask, they can accept a rubber Green Goblin mask, or a Batman who doesn't wear a rubber suit. Studios just don't trust the audience to have even a little suspension of disbelief.

No one complained about Chris Reeve's Superman costume. So why dress the X-Men in black leather? Answer: the embarrassment of the filmmakers/fanboys.

It's easy for a fanboy to read comics in private and not feel embarrassed for liking them. It's quite another thing for them to be in a theater with a crowd watching people run around in brightly colored costumes and not feel embarrassed.

So, the material suffers because an inherently juvenile and fun medium must be made "realistic" and "non-corny".

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It isn't like comic books are the only medium that loses a lot in the
translation. Look at the Tom Clancy movies (Red October, Patriot Games,
Sum of all Fears, Clear and Present Danger) and see how a good deal of
that stuff gets screwed up in the movie version. Red October was fairly
close except that they left out or just glossed over about 40% of the story,
but in The Sum of All Fears, the movie has about 15% of it's content being
pretty close to the book (and that includes some times having the right
charachter name, but nothing else about the charachter right) and the
other 85% is something that sarted off vaguely resembling the book and
then spiraled off into the cosmos somewhere.

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And fans of novels that are adapted to movies complain when things are
changed. The big difference with comics and novels are that novels are
usually one-off things, and the audience perception from a movie won't
affect a novel already written. The exceptions would be books in a series
or sequels to the novel.
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Speaking of the Batman in teh rubber suit....

was I the only one that was annoyed that George Clooney and Chris O'Donnel both had nipples on their suit but Alicia Silverstone DIDN'T?

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The exceptions would be books in a series or sequels to the novel.

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Tom Clancy liked the movie of Sum of All Fears so much that he decided to make the next Jack Ryan novel a prequel (Red Rabbit) for Ben Affleck to play in an eventual movie.
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When Bernard Cornwell's terrific Sharpe's series of books were made into a series of  14 TV movies, Cornwell himself adapted a few of the changes made in the films into the new Sharpe books he wrote. He even said that when he hears Sharpe's voice in his head he now speaks with the actor Sean Bean's voice. So it is not in anyway a sure thing for creators to hate the changes made by others.
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Do comicbook films increase sales of tpbs in highstreet bookstores?

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/8699.html

Might some of those readers eventually find their way to the monthlies?
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Might some of those readers eventually find their way to the monthlies?

As and on and off comic reader all my life, even I struggle to carry on with the monthlies as opposed to the trades. What chance have we got with the civilians


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Whenever a movie like V for Vendetta, Ghost World
or Sin City (or even League of Extraordinary
Gentlemen) is released, sales on the trade
paperbacks skyrocket. Comic shops tend to have at
least some increase in demand for the tie-in books,
but sales really, really take off in bookstores.

When a movie like X-Men 3 or Spider-Man 2 or
Batman Begins comes out, there might be a minor
sales increase on the monthly comics and/or the
trade paperbacks, but nothing too noticeable (the
1989 Batman movie was probably the last
superhero movie to result in a big sales increase for
a particular character).

I've heard two theories on this, both of which seem
pretty valid. First of all, the books that benefit the
most from movies are either single-volume books or
books that only present one series for readers to
follow. Spider-Man and Batman exist in so many
different formats that a new reader could buy trades
from ten different series and still not get one that's
very close to the movies (or that's particularly
self-contained or accessible).

Another theory that I've heard: When Road to
Perdition or V for Vendetta are released, a lot of
people who see the movie (or even just read about
it) will discover for the first time that the movie is
based on a comic book, and may be willing to give it
a shot. When a superhero movie is released, the
general public already knows that the tie-in comic
books exist, they just don't particularly care that they
exist.

Harry Potter sales increase when a movie comes
out because the movies make no attempt to hide the
fact that the source material exists, and anyone
who's been to a bookstore in the last five years is
well aware that the books exist and knows where to
find them. If the actors, directors, and Marvel and
DC's own PR people aren't particularly inclined to
mention the comic books in interviews when they're
promoting the films, why should we expect sales to
go up on the superhero books?
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