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John Mietus
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Matt Reed wrote:
Well known to whom? Everyone in the town/city you live
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Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Matt, I live in a town with a population of
less than 20,000 in a rural area, and the shop is the only comics shop within
a roughly 50 mile radius.
[edited to add] And thanks for Matt and Robert weighing in, to help illustrate
the point that I wanted to make: comics-based movies apparently have no
appreciable impact on comics sales whatsoever in the DSM. So therefore, it
stands to reason that the movies and t.v. shows and cartoons have more of
an impact on the public perception of these characters than the original
source material does.
Edited by John Mietus on 19 May 2006 at 5:10am
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Dave Phelps
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| So therefore, it stands to reason that the movies and t.v. shows and cartoons have more of an impact on the public perception of these characters than the original source material does. |
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Okay, now that we all agree on that... so what? :-)
How much should we let the adaptation influence the source? I don't particularly want "Pricilla Precious" (or whatever the hell her real name was supposed to be in that movie) taking over for Selina Kyle; I don't think Marvel should have dumped Wolverine and replaced him with a newly resurrected Thunderbird for those whose first exposure to the X-Men was that one episode of Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends; No way in hell they should have replaced the Thing with "Benjy Grimm and his Thing rings; etc., etc., etc.
Even if you look at the movies that get the characters right (not naming any names since we'll probably disagree - plus in my case there really aren't that many), when all is said and done the movie just needs to be entertaining for a couple of hours and you're done. Even the most successful movie series tend to go no longer than 3 movies (7 tops) (James Bond is a rare beast.). We're talking about characters with hundreds of issues worth of published material spread out over 40-68 years. Maintaining interest in that (and making the audience feel like they didn't miss out on all the really interesting material) is a lot trickier.
If the adaptations don't reflect the current reality (within reason), I think that should be seen as a call to be more strict with the adaptation, not a call to "fix" the comics.
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Steve Horton
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Do we really want a SUPERMAN RETURNS fan to head into a nasty, smelly comic book shop and pick up a comic featuring a sadistic Superboy ripping villains arms off?
May as well stick with the films! As bad as SR might be, it's more faithful to the source material than the comics, at this point.
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Glenn Greenberg
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<<As bad as SR might be, it's more faithful to the source material than
the comics, at this point.>>
That's my opinion about the Spider-Man movies--not that I thought
either of them were bad. Quite the opposite, in fact.
But until next month, it really is way too early to declare definitively how
faithful Superman Returns is to the source material.
And I do have to say, the current Superman comics, SUPERMAN and
ACTION COMICS, written by Kurt Busiek and Geoff Johns, are EXCELLENT.
Edited by Glenn Greenberg on 19 May 2006 at 10:10am
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Zaki Hasan
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Seems to me that DC is doing everything they can to have the various Super and Bat titles dovetail wherever possible with the various media adaptations.
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Glenn Greenberg
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Which in and of itself is not a bad idea, provided that the comics don't
absorb the BAD stuff introduced in the various media adaptations.
There's stuff that happens in X-MEN 3 that I very much hope Marvel
doesn't work into the comics.
But I once thought that the comic version of Spider-Man would NEVER
have organic web-shooters, and now...
Edited by Glenn Greenberg on 19 May 2006 at 10:43am
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Right now I just hope they don't get any funny ideas about knocking off Pa Kent.
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Matt Reed
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John Meitus wrote:
comics-based movies apparently have no
appreciable impact on comics sales whatsoever in the DSM. So therefore, it
stands to reason that the movies and t.v. shows and cartoons have more of
an impact on the public perception of these characters than the original
source material does. |
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I've been making that point now for roughly five pages!
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John Mietus
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Exactly -- I was just supporting the argument with multiple instances of
anecdotal evidence.
Oh, and Matt? I before E except after C.
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Matt Reed
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Typo, smartass. Typo. But I'm gonna start spelling your name just like that when I quote you now!
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John Mietus
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Works for me, Mr. Reid.
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John Byrne
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I've been making that point now for roughly five
pages!
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I have been making it for most of my career. This is why I want to track down and kill people who say "It's only a movie!" when something like SPIDER-MAN garbles the source, or X-MEN actually scoffs at it. 40 years later, a large part of the population still thinks of Adam West when they hear the name "Batman". Even positive reviews of excellent fare like BATMAN BEGINS cannot resist references. More people will see the new X-MEN movie that read all the issues of their series (all the series!) that I worked on combined. Heck, combine ticket sales and DVDs with TV showings, and probably more people have seen the three X-MEN movies than have read all the comics combined.
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