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Joe Zhang
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"or one where he does come of age and has his eye ripped out?"

That's one hell of a bar mitzvah.
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Maybe it;s just the USA that stopped reading Spider-Man. He still seems to be selling in huge numbers world wide!

"Marvel Comic's Spider-Man [is] one of the world's most recognizable and celebrated Super Heroes. Fifteen million Spider-Man comics are sold each year in 75 countries and in 22 languages, and a comic strip... is syndicated... in 500 newspapers worldwide." (From a Dec.'98 PRNewswire story)

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Divide that by 12, factor in multiple titles, and that number seems relatively small to me. The number of Spider-Man readers worldwide would be less than the viewership of a low rated UPN show.

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Plus that was 15 million according to a seven and a half year old article, that received those figures who knows when.
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It should also be pointed out that at the times when the Spider-Man and
Hulk movies were being released, the comic books were running stories
that, in my humble opinion, would have been absolutely off-putting to
any new readers that Marvel presumably would have wanted to acquire.

The Hulk was in the midst of a multi-part storyline in which he appeared
on maybe four pages total, and in which he--and Banner--played no role
whatsoever in the resolution of the main plot. Also, the art was by
someone whose style was more appropriate for a Vertigo title than a
mainstream Marvel Universe series.

When Spider-Man 2 came out, ASM was in the midst of "Sins Past." Nuff
said.

When the first Spider-Man movie came out, the PETER PARKER, SPIDER-
MAN title did a supposedly comedic multi-parter about the Sandman
showing up on an MTV "Spring Break Party" type of show, with, again,
artwork far more appropriate for a Vertigo book--and Spider-Man had, as
I recall, a secondary role in the story.

I don't argue that these stories should never have been
published, although they didn't appeal to me one bit. What I DO argue is
that they shouldn't have published at a time when these characters were
getting maximum mainstream exposure--a time when, theoretically
speaking, more people who'd never read the comics before might want to
try out an issue after seeing the movie. That the stories didn't spotlight
the title characters, that the art veered away from a traditional,
mainstream comic style in favor of a heavily stylized, indie-comic look,
was mystifying--at least to me.

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"when the Spider-Man and
Hulk movies were being released, the comic books were running stories
that, in my humble opinion, would have been absolutely off-putting to
any new readers that Marvel presumably would have wanted to acquire. "

I mean, didn't they fire Bob Harras for the same transgression?
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Movies do seem to have an effect on TPB sales. Both Sin City and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen were the best-selling TPBs on bookstores on the years where their respective movies were realeased, according to the Bookscan circulation numbers that appeared on Newsarama.

So it seems to me that Marvel is the one unable to turn the moviegoing audience in profit.

I'm even sure that this year's best-selling Bookscan TPB will be V for Vendetta!
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Posted: 18 May 2006 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | 7  

Here in Mexico already is a best-selling TPB!

You can see it flying from the shelves.

Never happened with any of the ^^***** movies.
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I've talked to my LCS owner about this numerous times, and he always says
the same thing: he can count on one hand the number of people who walk
into his (locally well-known) shop looking for a comic about a character after
a movie has been made about that character. Matt Hawes, if you're paying
attention, how's it for you? Or any of the other JBFers who run shops? Are
you seeing the same thing?
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<<I mean, didn't they fire Bob Harras for the same transgression?>>

That's the PUBLIC reason they gave.



Edited by Glenn Greenberg on 18 May 2006 at 5:06pm
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The more I searach the net for answers about comics the more conflicting statements come my way. To give you a for instance on the one hand in the UK comics aimed at the very young (under 8) still sell very well. Some comics like the Beano sell over 110,000 copies a week and yet 2000AD (Judge Dredd et al) is struggling on 20,000 per week. The market for kids of 8 to15 has completely vanished.

One of the most depressing things I have read so far though was this:

I think it's also down to the fact that most youngsters don't know what comics are any more -- certainly not adventure comics, anyway. Jason Kingsley, owner of 2000AD, once told me they were doing a promotion at a skateboard event one time and a teenager picked up one of the freebies and started to flick through it. The conversation went something like this:

"What's this?"
"It's a comic."
"Cool... what's a comic?"
"It's a magazine that tells stories with words and pictures. The story's told using speech balloons, see--"
"What a brilliant idea! Who thought of that! It's really cool!"

So, not only are publishers trying to sell comics to people who know what they are and convince them they're comic is worth buying, they've also got a hard slog actually selling comics as a medium by all accounts -- certainly to the teenage audience who would be the most likely to buy them and make them hip.

 

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I really don't see how you are saying that I am defining a potential comic reader as someone with the same tastes as me. I think potential comic readers who have GOOD taste would have similar taste to me though. But I probably have an overinflated sense of how good my taste is though.

By potential comic book reader, I thought I was pretty clear with this, is someone who would be in some way receptive to reading comics. If you have a room of 100 people and flat out ask them "what would it take to convince you to take up this hobby?" and 85 of them say "I am completely uninterested. Sure, when I was 7 years old I had a Batman lunchbox and Shazam underoos. I can name most of the superfriends, and I thought Jack Nicholson was great in that Batman movie. But I am just here for the refreshemnts. I am really not interested in comic books." then what interest is the consensus of those 85 people when it comes to talking about how the comic books are written? What those 85 people think of when you say "Captian America" means exactly SQUAT.

Of the 15 people in that room they might say "I will give it a shot, read a few of these books and tell you what might interest me." All of them might say that the Heroes Reborn Captain America, New Avengers, and the recent Defenders mini series were great stuff and that they might be interested in starting to read comics regularly based on those books, and that Peter David's Hulk, JBs FF, Miller's Daredevil, Shooter's Avengers, and Wolfman's Titans were all pretty dull and they wouldn't be interested in getting into comics if they were all like that. Those would be valid opinions that would need to be considered. I personally think that those are terrible decisions that I couldn't disagree with strongly enough, but they would be opinions of people that have an impact on the industry.

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I do think that at some point charachters CAN bet uncomfortably far away from the concept.

The Hulk for example as a CONCEPT, not a charachter, is some big guy smashing stuff. The whys and wherefores of the "mr Hyde" perspective, vs the "inner child" interpretation, dumb vs smart, hero vs villian, whatever, are really all less important than that. And THAT is probably why the movie didn't go over so well.

People can have a passing familiarity with something, and still not be interested in it in the slightest.

I could pick out the Eifel Tower, and tell you how to pronounce "the Louvre". I know that Napoleon was one of the most brilliant military leaders in history. I know all sorts of vague, general facts about France. That does NOT mean that I have any interest in it as a hobby. I have no interest in going there. If someone was trying to sell a monthly travel guide to france, or a compellation of French poetry, I would NOT be the person that they should be worrying about as far as what my perception of the French Rvolution is, despite the fact that I have had some exposure to things French.

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