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Matt Linton
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 1:20pm | IP Logged | 1  

Patrick Drury:

Hadn't read that, mea culpa.  It's possible to read that as a point he reached in the past, but feels differently about now, but I wouldn't be surprised if he still feels the same way.  Either way, I like his stuff despite that.

And earlier when I said John Romita disliked superheroes, I think I meant John Buscema, just to clarify.
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | 2  

My feelings on this are generally well-known on this board.

Suffice to say, I'd have to think long and hard before buying anymore Spider-man comics and Marvel in general if this happens.  I am writing letters because I think it will.  Joe Q. whether he likes the idea or not, seems to like to ok ideas which will get people talking. I believe the far majority of current fans want him married to MJ, but a vocal and sincere minority does not. I believe of creators, the majority don't want him married 

That fact would not deter Q. He likes events that are controversial, talked about, and ultimately get people to buy to see "It can't really be true, can it?"  Since that is the case, I believe he will do this to get people talking.

And then my decision comes into play, because it really is that important to me. I walked away once before when Ben Reilly would have replaced Peter Parker to be fair I also lacked funds and the Clones were killing me).

Having read Spider-man and Peter Parker for 21 years and loved him closer to 26, it would be a very, very difficult decision to make but one I feel might be necessary. In the meantime, I will continue the letters



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Again, I feel it's time to evoke the words of Stan Lee: Never give the fans
what they think they want.
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That fact would not deter Q. He likes events that are controversial, talked about, and ultimately get people to buy to see "It can't really be true, can it?"  Since that is the case, I believe he will do this to get people talking.

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As far as negating the marriage, regardless of his personal feelings on the matter, Quesada has already said he's not going to go do be doing anything about it.
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The difference between John Buscema disliking superheroes and and Warren
Ellis disliking superheroes is professionalism.
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 5:17pm | IP Logged | 6  

Again, I feel it's time to evoke the words of Stan Lee: Never give the fans
what they think they want.

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I also have a ton of Stan's Sopaboxes that say the fans are the truth editors and that we should let Marvel know what we want because that makes all the difference so nyaahh.

Pus the marriage was Stan's idea anyway, and he writes it every day. 



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What a mature way to say that, counsellor.
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As far as negating the marriage, regardless of his personal feelings on the matter, Quesada has already said he's not going to go do be doing anything about it.
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I think the fact that both Q and JMS are quoted in Wizard discussing the marriage negatively says a lot.

I think the fact that Civil War will want to end on a bang like "No More Mutants" also says a lot.

I think the fact that 2006 was said to end with the "biggest genie being put into the bottle that you didn't think we could put into the bottle and that will cause controversy" also says a lot.

Plus, people change their minds, and he has before.

If he really though the marriage was hasty and not put together well (which it was somewhat), despite their history and previous proposal by Pete that MJ turned down, then you think he would be consistent and not rush Black Panther and Storm, who have all of one meeting from around the time I was born in their background,  into a marriage this year. He might, instead of quickly retconning a six issue mini, give it a couple of years to grow.

If he really thought the marriage aged Peter so much, then he might tell his head writer Bendis "Stop saying Peter is 30 years old" when he doesn't have to be.

Besides the fact that he already allowed Spider-totem, Gwen becoming a whore (easily ignored ok true), Aunt May to find out, changes in Spider-man's powers TWICE (the first seemingly ignored by everyone only to have THE OTHER do it a year later in almost the same way), mystical mubo jumbo "you must become the Spider" and Spider-pincers, et al.  I mean really.   These things changed some fundamental things as well, for better or worse.

I mean, truthfully, Spider-man needs some good stories, good art, maybe not make him completely miserable as Peter and Spidey. He is a character who sells and reaches people when he has things going good and always has.  Other guys may need revisitings to keep relevant-he has always been relevant. The last generation of young fans grew up with and accepted and bought tons of married Spider-man.  Unfortunately, most people cannot seem to tell these stories without making MJ a whiner or a bitch (early Michielienie notwithstanding).

(Truthfully, JMS writes a very good marriage, for all his other faults).

 

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I cannot understand how this marriage, of all things, can so dominate someone's thinking they NEED to have it to enjoy Spider-Man. Quesada isn't arguing to kill Mary Jane.  He's not arguing for them to have some sort of extreme fallout where she disappears from the titles forever.  She can still be Lois Lane to his Clark Kent (Bad example now, I know) She can even be the permanent love interest in that Peter always comes back to her.   I'd imagine with MJ so prominently in the movies, that flushing her from the titles altogether would not even be a question.  It won't happen.

So knowing MJ will likely be around forever...why is this marriage so important?  Are people so taken with MJ's character that they cannot even stand the thought of Peter having a romantic relationship with someone else for a small bit of time?  Are they afraid maybe that Peter will start dating someone who people think is more interesting and MJ will be left out in the cold (much like she did to Gwen?)  Are people afraid of good stories that might separate them from a fictional character?

Why, oh why, are we trapped with this nonsense?




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Or to put it another way, Spidey was known for his memorable villains and great supporting cast.  Maybe Joe should ask himself, which the marriage doesn't affect, why has not a single memorable Spider-man villain been created since Venom (or arguably Carnage)? 

Why besides MJ and Aunt May (and recently some New Avengers) does Spider-man have no supporting cast?  They moan about that in Wizard. JMS of all people!!!!!   Oh, he had such a good supporting cast and now they are all gone.

Yeah, Harry and Gwen are dead. On the other hand, that didn't stop JMS from using Gwen.  Harry should probably stay dead since Norman is back but....

there is Betty, Liz, little Normie, Norman Osborn, JJJ, Robbie Robertson, Joe Robertson, Felicia Hardy, Curt Connors, Flash, Richard Fisk, Kingpin, Daredevil Johnny Storm, Punisher, many classic villains, John Jameson, Roderick Kingsley, Gloria from the Bugle, Prowler, Ben and Phil Urich, Mark Raxton (Molten Man)-all supporting cast, interesting  allies with history, or villains with history all unused almost entirely by JMS. Not to mention others.  JMS introudced-no one-no cuple they could hang out with, no friends, nothing, nobody at the school Peter teaches at. 

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What a mature way to say that, counsellor.

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JM I was just kidding. I typed with a smile on my face.   I should have used this ;)

 

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Also Zaki, I am not sure he ruled out death. I know divorce he did and a mystical explanation.
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