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Joe Zhang
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Reportedly, they're all quite active with Hollywood stuff. Ellis had one of his comics made into a failed T.V. pilot. Bendis has two movies in the works. Morrison has said he's worked on screenplays. I think Invisibles was to be a BBC series, but that never materialized.

I point to Neil Gaiman and Frank Miller as examples of people whose writing is really catching on in other media. Those guys are really offering something original, instead of just breaking superhero conventions.

And that's the last I'm going to say before someone complains I'm being unreasonable.
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Dave, c'mon.  You're being waaaaaay too literal, picking and choosing to what you want to defend your position.  During the Stern run, Peter had problems with friends, struggles with his Aunt May and punishing authority figures in JJJ.  When I started reading him near the age you did, albeit years earlier, I could associate with that as well as get into the superhero action.  I'm pretty sure you knew that was part and parcel of what I was talking about, having been around these boards for a while.

Sorry.  Haven't been back in a couple of days.  Of course, we've had this conversation before so it's not like you can't imagine my response. :-)

The point I was trying to make is that relatability doesn't require the surface details to be 100% equivalent.  (And even that's when you "need" the relability to keep you interested.)  You can still do struggles with Aunt May, problems with authority figures, relationship woes, etc.  Yeah, he's married, but then it's to someone who may support him in what he does (or at the very least loves him enough to try), but doesn't particularly like it.  That's a pretty eternal struggle for adolescents, although the context is different.  And there are still other supporting cast members to consider.  Even if the romantic side is largely stable, there are plenty of other directions to pull conflict from.

 

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I don't fault Ellis for making money and keeping his career going, but it would be a downer to me, as a superhero fan, to read his stories knowing that he despises the subject matter so much. It also all but obliterates any artistic considerations one might form about his mainstream work. (His comments after Kirby's death in 1994 are still some of the tackiest and most insensitive things I've ever read from one creator about another. Sheesh.)
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While Ultimate SM is a book I never miss, I'm in the "the-marriage-is-OK" club.  Peter having a safe-haven/confidant out of costume is what I've liked about the character for the last few years.  While it does age the character somewhat from the Lee/Ditko/Romita era, there've been plenty of good stories since they said "I do."

I've also liked how Aunt May has come along as a character as well.  The fawning, frail aunt was a character that always annoyed me growing up as a kid.

Overall, I like where the characters are now but I'm hoping that the "Civil War" does change the whole Avengers-thing though.  Let Peter struggle as a photographer, (I can't see how the teaching job would last with him out webslinging every night and it's too steady an income). Let MJ continue as a struggling actress on Broadway while the two of them support Aunt May (who does her thing as a retiree).  There's plenty of material there to be mined between the supervillains.

Just my two cents.     

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Just like THE SIMPSONS (not your idea, mind you, but the notion that 17 years can go by with birthdays, holidays, death and marriage, and no one has aged a day)...

Well, the Nahasapeemapetalan kids have...they've gone from conception to toddlers.  ;-)

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I just read through about a dozen Warren Ellis interviews from the past 5 years, and not once have I seen him say anything other than a variation of "superheroes dominate the market".  The closest to disdain  (Year of Whoredom, writing superhero comics for the money) seems directed more at the reality of the marketplace than anything else, or a disdain for the bulk of superhero comics, not all of them.  And even that seems beside the point.  John Romita Sr. has said more than once over the years that he's not a fan of superhero comics and would rather draw something else, but no one rakes him over the coals for it.
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From the Warren Ellis chapter of "Writers on Comics Script Writing":

"I got to the point where I just hated superheroes. I hated this false reality they presented. I hated the fact they present a society where nothing can change because it takes superhuman effort to keep things the way they are, which is just frightening bullocks."
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And just so we're clear, I'm not trying to rake him over the coals.  Just reporting on what he said.  Ellis, in the past, did some of my favorite comic works regardless of how he felt about  superheroes.  Wish he still did.
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 Patrick Drury quoting Warren Ellis wrote:
"...which is just frightening
bullocks."


Shouldn't that be bollocks?
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Isn't all fantasy about indulging in "false reality?"

The universe is shaped and dominated by cosmic forces far beyond our ability to control. Come on Ellis!
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It's well documented that John Buscema and John Romita Sr. are not the biggest superhero fans. However, the fact that they aren't writers, and the fact that they went about it with a bit of class, is why people don't rake them over the coals, so to speak.
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Darragh, I copied and pasted the quote from another board.  I'm sure it was just transcribed incorrectly there.
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