Wpw...the abstenance program is not working. WHy might that be? Because kids don't want to abstane.

It is not the school's fault or the government's fault. If there is fault to lay down, it is the family.

So this girl is the fourth generation in a row to become an unwed mother at 16. What does that mean? That means that she is the fourth one in a row to make a mistake. That means she is the fourth one in a row NOT to learn the lessons of others. Just because the cycle starts, that doesn't mean that it is excusable or understandable that it continues.

My sister had not one but 2 children out of wedlock while she was a teenager. But none of her kids did, because she taught them better.

My wife-to-be had a son when she was a teenager. He just turned 18 and guess what? He DOESN'T have any kids. He is smarter than that.

There is one way that is guaranteed to work if you want to avoid pregnancy and avoid STDs. Do NOT have sex. It really is that simple, and completely undeniable, but the schools are not allowed to to state it that way because then they must "obviously" be pupets of some religious right wing agenda. You would think that only the religious nuts want people to actually be responsible about having sex. Obviously that isn't the case, but it is the far left movements that that are the ones that DON'T want the education to focus on what will absolutely work. It is the same segment in general that are the first ones out trying to spend more and more money on the people that need money due to being less than responsible.

To say that the education system is at fault is not really honest. Does anyone really think that there are a lot of kids out there by the time they hit puberty that do NOT know that sex causes babies? They may not have all of the biological facts down, but I am pretty sure that they know that when people have sex, they sometimes have babies, and that if they don't have sex, they can't have babies. Once they know that much, I fail to see how it is anyone else's fault when they have sex and have kids.

Certainly it is a good idea to have that concept enforced through educational programs. But the programs now aren't saying that there is one SURE preventative measure. What they are saying now is things like "well, of course you are going to have sex. Since you will be having sex, make sure you use proper protection so as to aviod problems". Use of condoms and other methods are presented as the correct thing to do for protection. They are presented as an EQUAL alternative to abstanince, when that is clearly not the case.

JB's post about Scott and Jean reminds me of Spider-Man and the Black Cat in the 80s. In Amazing Spider-Man 226-227, Roger Stern showed how a romance between them would never work, because Felicia Hardy was a thief. That was her CHARACTER. Not long after, Bill Mantlo pisses all over that notion in Spectacular and has the two fall in love anyway (along with giving us horrendous dialogue like "Oh, gee...is this the price I pay for being good?"). Why? Because the fans thought it would be such a great idea. (Like the same fans who are constantly frustrated by DC's refusal to have Batman and Selina Kyle admit their "repressed" love for one another) So we get several years' worth of stories with schmaltz instead of keeping the tension that was such an integral part of the early Spider-Man/Black Cat stories.

Mantlo, in effect, broke one of Stan Lee's cardinal rules: Never give fans what they think they want.

I know this has shifted from talk about Cassie to one about sex education but I just discovered this forum and Cassie is a favorite character of mine.

She's actually still in high school as shown when she slammed a classmate into the ceiling based off his comments about Wonder Woman killing Maxwell Lord.  I'm not a big fan of realism in comics, but I don't mind them being allowed to age a little and just move up to the next level. 

I personally don't find Cassie to be to overly attractive when it comes to comic characters.  And I don't think that Connor and Cassie having sex was just meant to make Cassie no longer a virgin.  Considering Infinite Crisis and Connor's death it was supposed to be something emotional and meaningful. 

As for question of superheroes having sex.  I want the characters that I develop an attachment to to be happy.  If that includes having sex with someone they love then I want it to happen.  As for Stan Lee's ocmment on not giving fans what they think they want, on occasions that I've gotten what I wanted I've always been happy with it.  That might just mean I haven't gotten what I want enough.,

Clint Adams:  I know here in Texas, the sex education program is ABSTENENCE ONLY!  It is the only thing taught in health class, its the only thing taught when the students have guests talk to them about sex.  My issue is, abstenence only is shown not to work, so we need to work harder AND couple that increased effort with a program about contraceptions. 

When it comes to Texas, Clint, I find myself paraphrasing a familiar adage:  "If at first you don't secede...try, try again."

Sex education, by definition, has to consist of more than "Don't have sex until you're married", no matter what certain groups of people say.  The people who comprise these groups need to take a realistic look at the world, especially if they remember their own teenage years.  Teen sex is by no means a recent phenomenon, nor can anyone realistically pretend that it can be eliminated by an ad campaign.

Last year, I was reading my copy of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #511 and told to my father: "What if authors had told that Lana Lang slept with Lex Luthor when you were a reader?".
His answer: "When I read these comics, nobody cared for these things".

Good ol' Silver Age...

Me? Sex is a part in our life, so I understand that superheroes can do whatever they want in their bedrooms. But the point is: who cares? I'm sure that Spider-Man uses his powers with Mary Jane, but I don't want to see it!
A couple of years ago was released in Italy "Ice", the CAPTAIN AMERICA run by Chusk Austen. In our boarss, someone saluted this like a sort of miracle: "At last, we see superheroes in realistic situations!"; "Even a superhero can make love with women!". Yeah, sure. But who cares? Aren't these Cap's private matters?

 I'm sure that Spider-Man uses his powers with Mary Jane, but I don't want to see it!
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And, most certainly, not the Sue Richards we'd seen established for 40 odd years. She was attracted to Namor -- and she was attracted -- because she thought she sensed there was something more than just a "bad boy" there.