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Brad Brickley
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I just figured that TPTB were giving Superboy a little action before the big send off. I didn't agree with the kids doing it, but I feel like others here,  it should have been left a little more understated if they were going in that direction.
I can still remember an old Legion of Super-Heroes story of Duo-Damsel lamenting that she could never be with Superboy because she knew who he'd end up with.  That's the kind of stuff that should be going on with the kids I feel.
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But that is my exact point.  I as a teacher can get fired at the mere suggestion that these sexually active teens protect themselves.  Don't we have a social responsibility to give the students ALL of their options.  Its the marketplace of ideas, give them all the thought on the subject and have them decide for themselves as an educated society.

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Please keep in mind that I'm not religious. I'm not a conservative. And I still think that abstinence should be policy for teens. At the very least, it should be stressed to teens that it is in their best interests to wait.

For one, teens are notorious about lacking impulse control -- one of the reasons it's especially insidious when tobacco companies target them; they don't really think about longterm consequences of their actions.

If teens are taught that everything's fine as long as you practice "safe sex," they are being done a disservice. For one, there are serious emotional ramifications to racking up sex partners at an early age (and again, teens lack the impulse control to know that the person they "love" today they will quite possibly "hate" a week from now). Also, "safe sex" is still risky. Mistakes happen, and unwanted pregnancy is the most benign result relatively.

It stuns me that we would basically give up on reaching teens by basically stating that they "will do it anyway."

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I never said that we should give up on abstinence programs, but they need to work in concert with unbiased education about contraception.  The two work together to make a whole, not as separate options.
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In my experience, the abstinence part used to get pretty short thrift compared to the contraception part.

I feel kids are much too sexualized in general by the media and by society as a whole, and some balance of the gains of the present should be tempered with some of the good things of the past.

It was much rarer in the past. However, when it happened, people were treated very harshly, especially the girls. So in order to not treat them so harshly, we made it an ok thing to do, especially among certain groups and cultures.  No matter what the consequences.

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Posted: 13 April 2006 at 2:18pm | IP Logged | 5  

What does our culture say about sex in general?

What do certain agents say about sexuality to teenagers?

What is making plain the divide between child and adult, especially as the children are teenagers?

The questions and their respective answers are all connected but the connections are different based on who is doing the answering.

We have the issues regarding the early physical maturation of teenagers (but it seems to me that that sounds like a circular dilemma; in the old days in some places girls became women at fourteen and were responsibile adults then; the average lifespan of a people varies as well from time to time, century to century, and place to place) but how and when are kids introducted to sexuality, notions of sexuality, ideas of sex, and sexual options.

and the only reason I am being this vague is because I don't have time to spell out arguments based on premises that not all of you believe in the first place.

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work in concert with unbiased education about


Is it against the rules to point out that the whole idea of an unbiased anything especially an "unbiased education" is bullshit?

While it's true that you can find a subject and then find a person with no biases on that subject... one's delivery of knowledge presents a certain weight on what some believe to be important or not.


Besides that philosophical stuff regarding education, presenting the preferable or the truthful alongside something that is less preferable, less healthy, and less truthful and treating both as the same can lead to some stuff that is just downright disasterous.

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I meant giving them both the pros and the cons.  Right now in my school system, when contraception is mentioned, they ONLY show whats wrong with them, they never mention the other side.  Its kind of like religion in schools.

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So we should eshchew what is "good" in exchange for "almost"?

The pros are that they work.  sometimes.  The cons include possible side-effects, and what they never protect you from.  Also that some protect from pregnancy ("protect from pregnancy" dear Lord what am I doing with language to have to put those three words together like that?) in different ways from others... leaving a girl to still make a trip to flush her fetus/baby/cells/blob/YMMV.

That sounds like an "almost".

Abstinence sounds like "good" to me in comparison.  I suppose I might have less problems with teaching of contraceptions if they weren't presented with equal footing with the better option.

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Posted: 13 April 2006 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | 9  

As Chris Rock once said....

"If ya call your mamma Pam and your Grandma Momma....your going to jail!"
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Abstinence sounds like "good" to me in comparison. 

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But you are totally ignoring the fact that the abstinence program is not working.

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Posted: 13 April 2006 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | 11  

Somewhat back on topic, how many "comic book relationships" have ever turned out well? 
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For it to work, the who,e culture would have to change. Movies, songs, tv, commercials, parents, etc.  Otherwise its like a tiny voice shouting against millions, really.

 

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