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Christopher Arndt
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To be fair... by the time I realized that there were changes to Batman from the Universe that I was familiar with.... Superman had died.
That's right. When I was going into the comic store after Superman died and I saw a cover where Jonathan Kent was lying dying in a field (something dumb and poetic about that) I was wondering why the heck a comic published after S-Man died had something on the cover that happened before he Clark became Superman.
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"How can Pa Kent die now? he's already been dead for some time!"
But I had Batman's Pre-Crisis universe memorized by my eighth year of life.... Superman died in my tenth year?
I was too busy read seventies comics and collecting seventies comics to realize that in 1986 DC decided to stop making comics with an Earth-2 in them.
I will never say that Man of Steel was a mistake... but it would have been better in the long run to just close out the Pre-Crisis years and stop writing and adding onto continuity of that canon. Leave it be. Then just started over. That leads to another question I have but that is for another thread.
1) my brother probably knew abiut Catwoman's new origin about four years before I discovered the Crisis on Infinite Earths. He wisely decided not to tell his ten-year-old little brother about the new origin with prostitutes and stuff. What a crap world where the ORIGIN OF CATWOMAN makes the best sense if you have a prior knowledge of what a hooker is! You should never have to divest yourself of innocence or climb firmly into maturity before finding out about Catwoman and Batman! gah!
2) Batman: the Animated Series kept pulling me out of the immersion stuff when they pulled the "Alfred was there when Bruce was a child" bit and other like stuff. I was not yet into the new origins or new versions yet. If I was I probably would have been less jarred and more into the cartoon. Instead I got distracted by "this is different". I got over it. I love the cartoon.
2b) I probably would have known about Post-Crisis changes if the Post-Crisis changes were good for ALL-AGES. jerks.
3) I totally understand why Freddy Freeman was the same age as he transformed but never got the reasoning why the female counterpart was also the junior female counterpart.
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Tim Cousar
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JB:
I have never understood why Billy turns into an adult
but Mary and Freddie don't.
In Billy's situation of being an orphan on his own, being an adult would have helped him out, so he became an adult with powers.
Freddy wanted to be able to walk like other kids his age, so, when he said his magic words, he no longer needed the crutch, and he got the powers.
Mary was happy as she was, so she didn't change appearances and only got the powers.
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Stephen Robinson
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Something that struck me, when the reaction to DARK KNIGHT/YEAR ONE and MAN OF STEEL are compared, is that Batman fans -- at least the vocal ones -- knew far less about their character than Superman fans knew of theirs.
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And the pros (though it's often hard to distinguish them from the vocal fans) seem to be most attached to the Silver Age Superman -- as opposed to the Silver Age Batman -- hence so many aspects of the former -- unfortunately minus the FUN -- are cropping back up.
Me, I'd do anything to see the late '60s/early-to-mid '70s Batman return. As drawn by Jim Aparo, he's a dark avenger but with a smile on his face.
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Darren De Vouge
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Hard to believe that Cassie used to look like this:
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Mark Payne
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I loved her like that...she was a believable kid.
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Richard Patton
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The kid had spunk! I thought the way she went about creating her look
was quite believable.
I'll admit, I didn't much care for her at first, but she grew on me. IMO, she
just seems like a generic high school girl today. Can anyone tell me five
differences between Cassie's personality and Stargirl/Courtney
Whitmore's? And please tell me, what happened to the spunk?
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The changes in the Gordon family in YEAR ONE gave me a lot of problems. I'm not a Batman expert, so I wasn't sure to know the true story after having read YO.
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Christopher Arndt
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QUOTE:
| Me, I'd do anything to see the late '60s/early-to-mid '70s Batman
return. As drawn by Jim Aparo, he's a dark avenger but with a smile on
his face. |
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I'd hate to say it here... but it'd get back to him somehow anyway....
I would sacrifice all the remaining years of John Byrne's career (in a quasi-occultic ritual, of course) to get back the Batman from 1973 to 1984....
Aparo Forever!
I love Jim Aparo.
He even drew Batman when he was doing the grim crap.... no smiles at all. I remember when Batman would smile and do trash-talk and stuff. Judd Winnick doesn't understand the character at all.
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Wallace Sellars
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I wouldn't have minded Cassie eventually getting a "better" uniform, but why did she have to stop being a kid?
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John Byrne
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I have never understood why Billy turns into an adult but Mary and Freddie don't.+++ In Billy's situation of being an orphan on his own, being an adult would have helped him out, so he became an adult with powers. Freddy wanted to be able to walk like other kids his age, so, when he said his magic words, he no longer needed the crutch, and he got the powers. Mary was happy as she was, so she didn't change appearances and only got the powers. *** This is from the comics?
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John Byrne
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…why did she have to stop being a kid? *** Sad thing is, if you asked most of the people who have handled the character since I left, I'll bet they would insist she didn't.
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Andrew Bitner
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JB: I have never understood why Billy turns into an adult but Mary and Freddie don't.
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It's an excellent point.
I always thought that maybe the "wisdom of Solomon" translates into Captain Marvel being mature while Billy isn't, but that wouldn't explain why Mary and Freddie don't become adults.
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