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Jason Barnett
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What does it say about the sad boys that while I was being threatened with dismemberment for putting Ma and Pa Kent into Superman's supporting cast, this rather radical change to Selina passed without a ripple?
Authority figures must die, but women are all whores anyway!!
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What does it say about the sad boys that while I was being threatened with dismemberment for putting Ma and Pa Kent into Superman's supporting cast, this rather radical change to Selina passed without a ripple?
Edited by Jason Barnett on 28 April 2006 at 3:00pm
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Hugh Cherry
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Worked like a charm Matt!
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Michael Roberts
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So then it's okay for Robin at the time (Dick Grayson), a character
that was supposed to be someone to whom the readers could identify, to
have slept with Starfire out of wedlock, but Batman had to be "married"
in some form or another to do the nasty.
There's something wrong about that picture. ---
Captain Kirk had long established that it was alright to sleep around as long as it with hot alien chicks. I'm sure there's some appropriate Zapp Brannigan quote that I'm forgetting right now.
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Jason Schulman
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| What does it say about the sad boys that while I
was being threatened with dismemberment for putting Ma and Pa Kent into
Superman's supporting cast, this rather radical change to Selina passed
without a ripple? |
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Says that most readers had no idea what Selina's background was anyway (I certainly didn't!) so while it was obvious that her past was being changed, few knew what it was being changed from.
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Christopher Arndt
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She was an airline stewardess.
Do they have wholesome reputations?
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Robert White
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Yes...ALL airline stewardesses are whores. "Ooh, everything is dirty!" This cult of personality grows tiresome.
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Christopher Arndt
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Actually I couldn't remember much about that "cult of personality" but I figured the joke in Austin Powers had some basis in past reality or it wouldn't work...
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Before the OYL jump, IIRC, Cassie was 16 and Superboy was physically 18 (his actual age is about 4 since he's a clone). |
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Assuming that we can go with the notion that it has been only two years within the stories from the character's first appearance as JB imagined her, portrayed her, wrote her, and created her and now she looks like this:
 or as Rob Liefeld drew the character... which is something that we have seen too much of at as it is.
It's not so much that the character has aged so much in years... it's that the writers (even the good ones) are hacky or have moments of hackness.... and the artists are puerile and there's a mixture of both in each guy.
Seriously... it wasn't an age thing at first it was just about artists following their instincts ("girl... must draw her with boobies"). Then it became a sex thing with teenagers having intercourse. The age thing has become a problem NOW. The character is seventeen now. What does that mean? It means cleavage!
Now this character looks older. Actually it loooks like a totally different character. When it comes full circle, John Byrne is right.
CJA
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Richard Patton
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Now this character looks older. Actually it loooks like a totally different
character. When it comes full circle, John Byrne is right.
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I could live with the version of Cassie in the pic you posted. And I would
have believed that last link was a pic of Power Girl.
Personally, I think nearly every modern superheroine is played as either a
sex object or a mother figure, often alternating as needed by the author. I
imagine these are the forms of feminity that most rule the teenaged male
mind, so I can't entirely fault this approach. Rarely have I seen a
superheroine who was meant to read as simply "sister"... a non-sexual,
non-authoritarian equal. (Marrina springs to mind as one that did for me.)
They seem to have uped the ante on this with all the modern "bed-
hopping" so en vogue for today's superhero. You could make a flow chart
of which Avengers have slept together. IMO, that is a sentence that has
no business ever being written. And downward rolls the spiral.
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Troy Nunis
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>>Rarely have I seen a superheroine who was meant to read as simply "sister"... a non-sexual, non-authoritarian equal.<<
Mary Marvel has probably held onto this quality the best, but is far from unexploited in the wrong hands (ie Giffen's Joke League) as well -- but at least "Porn Queen Mother" isn't her default ... yet.
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Christopher Arndt
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Honestly if you charted the visual evolution of Mary Marvel from how she started to Infinite Crisis... she doesn't turn out so well either.
On the other hand... I have no problem seeing Mary Marvel with boobies.
I type that because she was a kid when World War II started. and aged as World War II went on until 1945. Then she vanished. Then she is in present day.
On the other hand, if she;s fourteen and not sixteen... then I suppose I do have a problem with it.
The thing is I'm all for drawing the characters to represent the age that the creator or writer is writing them at.... but I'm not a fan of drawing characters for the purpose of.... well..... a sexual substitute?
That said.... if anyone draws Supergirl and Helen Slater does not come to mind... I as the Editor would have them draw it again.
because I am a jerk. That's why.
CJA
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John Byrne
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I have never understood why Billy turns into an adult
but Mary and Freddie don't.
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John Byrne
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What does it say about the sad boys that while I was being threatened with dismemberment for putting Ma and Pa Kent into Superman's supporting cast, this rather radical change to Selina passed without a ripple?+++ Says that most readers had no idea what Selina's background was anyway (I certainly didn't!) so while it was obvious that her past was being changed, few knew what it was being changed from. *** Something that struck me, when the reaction to DARK KNIGHT/YEAR ONE and MAN OF STEEL are compared, is that Batman fans -- at least the vocal ones -- knew far less about their character than Superman fans knew of theirs. They seemed not to be aware that... •The bat motif did not enter Bruce's life until he was an adult, after he had completed his training •Alfred was not the old family retainer, having joined the series after Dick became Robin. It was his father, Jarvis Pennyworth, who served the senior Waynes when Bruce was a boy. •Selena was not a hooker •Gordon was a close contemporary of Bruce's father, not of Bruce •Barbara Gordon was not adopted *Gordon did, indeed, have a son, Tony, who was established as a college student about 12 years before Barbara turned up, so was presumably older than her. Personally, I didn't have any problem with these changes (except the monkeying with Barbara's background, which was caused more by office politics than story logic), but it was fascinating noting which fans got riled up over what.
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