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Posted: 07 April 2006 at 4:26am | IP Logged | 1  

Correct, Emery.



Swamp Thing and Man-Thing were "independently
inspired" by this same source.

The coincidence is not all that great, really. Both
characters appeared at around the same time, and
followed the publication of Jim Steranko's "History of
Comics", which made quite a fuss over the Heap.
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so, what about something like the Squadron Sinister/Squadron Supreme?
More like a JLA HOMAGE I'd say...as was Cockrum's Imperial Guard a LSH Homage
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...HOMAGE...

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Now THERE'S a word that been beaten bloody.
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Stan Lee, who brought the Man-Thing idea to Roy Thomas, expressly stated he used to love the Heap, and wanted to do something like that again.  I believe Wein has also expresslly claimed inspiration on based on the Heap.
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Definition of homage:  I copied it but I do like it.
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I believe Wein has also expresslly claimed inspiration on based on the Heap.

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In his original HOUSE OF SECRETS appearance, Swamp Thing was even more Heap-like than the somewhat cleaned-up version who inherited his own title.



(And Bernie used to say he couldn't draw attractive women. What a doofus!!)

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Liefeld "Homage-man"... 

Liefeld                                                      JB


Liefeld/MIller





If you copy...copy everything


Edited by José Emilio Amo on 07 April 2006 at 5:41am
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so, what about something like the Squadron Sinister/Squadron Supreme?
More like a JLA HOMAGE I'd say...as was Cockrum's Imperial Guard a LSH Homage

I suppose "homage" works, but I see them more as straight-faced parodies.  There's nothing inherantly funny about the Squadron Supreme or the Imperial Guard, but if you know who they REALLY are...

In my mind, inspiration is the "launch pad".  To use an example, my favourite film ever, La Jetee, was Terry Gilliam's admitted inspiration for 12 Monkeys.  However, they really are two very different movies that sprung from a common idea.  Furthermore, 12 Monkeys screenwriter David Peoples once said in an interview that he was hesitant when he was approached to work on the film because James Cameron had made such a great American version of La Jetee with The Terminator.  All three movies use the same "set-up"- the lovestruck man from the hellish future meeting the object of his affection- but the "punch line" is different in each film.  Had Gilliam and/or Cameron just re-filmed La Jetee- still black and white photographs, narration, the camp guards monitoring dreams, the whole nine yards- and given it a different name, they'd clearly be ripping off Chris Marker*.  But Cameron may or may not have even been aware of La Jetee and while Gilliam did acknowledge Marker and the film in the credits of 12 Monkeys, he re-told the story in such a way that it was substantially different and unique.

*Yes, I know about the Harlan Ellison lawsuit, but I've never seen Soldier and only dimly recall Demon With a Glass Hand, so I don't feel I know enough about them to say whether or not Cameron deliberately ripped them off.  Besides, it's a bit tangental to my example anyway.

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Bernie said that. That's B.S. , and I'll tell him at San Diego this year. 
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Wasn't the Squadron Sinister/Supreme developed as an unofficial JLA/
Avengers crossover? Seems to me there was a similar story that ran in JLA
that month (or close to it) with an Avengers-esque (but not as obviously the
Avengers) group of villains.
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Posted: 07 April 2006 at 8:21am | IP Logged | 11  

John -

True.  DC introduced the "Assemblers of Angar", although I'm not sure what issue/title they appeared in. 

Also, there was an arc in Freedom Fighters #8-9 that had an Invaders-esque team.

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And now that I think of it, the whole Shi'ar Imperial Guard thing was also for
an unofficial crossover, but if I remember, the X-Men substitutes in the
Legion were so far removed from resembling the X-Men that if you didn't
know that's what they were supposed to represent you would never have
guessed that was what was going on.
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