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Elliot Smith
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I've seen a lot of Al Milgrom art, on West Coast Avengers, Peter Parker, Hulk and more. It wasn't the inker on SW II, it was Al Milgrom who was bad. He should've stuck to inking and editing, because his pencilling was not good. I'm shocked anyone has rushed to his defense.
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James C. Taylor
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Elliot, you're engaging in "I didn't like it therefore it was bad." Al Milgrom is not my favorite artist and there were things I didn't care for him on. But much like I have said I'd like to be as bad an artist as John Byrne, I'd settle for being as bad an artist as Al Milgrom.
(Full disclosure: I am a fan of the original Firestorm.)
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Elliot Smith
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and exactly how are you related to Al Milgrom?
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James C. Taylor
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Elliot Smith wrote:
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I'm the love child of him and "yo mama".
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Brian Miller
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I'm shocked anyone has rushed to his defense.
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I didn't. Victor said he liked him in other books so I merely suggested that the inker may have been the cause for his dislike of the SWII art.
I'm not the hugest fan of Milgrom, but I'd much rather have his pencils than his inks. His Avengers ( both regular and WCA) wasn't too bad with Sinnott inking. His Spider-Man was ok and was the Kitty and Wolverine. Not my favorite art by any means, but it wasn't so bad, for me, that it took me out of the stories.
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño
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IMO AL Milgrom wasn't a bad artist, I think the inkers were his "problem". I
like a lot of the Leialoha stuff but he seemed like a bad choice for SW II. The
inks of Mooney in PPSSM were OK, but Sinnott over his pencils in AWC were
magnificent!
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James Steffes
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John,
Your comments about Shooter pushing the Beyonder seem awfully similar to Wolfman pushing the Monitor. I'm sure many of the artists/writers at DC felt the same as you (and the rest of the Marvel bullpen) at the time.
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Michael Cross
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I agree about the art..I lik the Mike Zeck art and was very meh.. about the Bob Layton art on his issues. Granted they were fill in issues,but i've really come to admire Bob's art so i classify the SW issues as horrible step children, much as SW is the ugly step child to Mike Zeck's awesome Kraven artwork..
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Bill Wiist
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Elliot Smith: "and exactly how are you related to Al
Milgrom?"
James Stewart: I'm the love child of him and "yo
mama".
FUNNY.
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Jason Czeskleba
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I'm not a big fan of Al Milgrom's work, but at least he was a competent
storyteller which I would take any day over many of today's flashy
pinup-drawers whose layouts are incoherent. And when he takes his
time he's a decent inker.
At any rate, from what I've read Milgrom was fast, and being a Marvel
staffer he was often called upon to do rush jobs to bail peoples' asses
out of the deadline fire. A lot of his 80's work was not the best
he was capable of because of this. In other words, he was kinda
the Don Heck of 80's Marvel.
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño
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Al Milgrom as an inker is a great artist!
Remember CO?
Or his colaboration with Ron Frenz over in Thor!
Those issues where great!
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Kevin Pierce
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Gearing up my time machine? Make SECRET WARS never happen! That was when the trouble really kicked into high gear.
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Jim Starlin's cosmic cube storyline would have made a better storyline to bring all the Marvel characters together than Secret Wars.
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