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Steven Myers
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who would you rather have running Marvel right now, Joe Quesada or Jim Shooter?
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
I'll never forgive Shooter for Hank Pym (which I believe was his way of showing Claremont/Byrne the "proper" way to turn a good guy into a bad guy.) and I was reading very few Marvel comics by the end of Shooter's run. The guys I liked had all left or lost their way it seemed...
Quesada totally drove me away from Marvel. Or actually, I didn't leave Marvel...Marvel left me.
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Ron Sluyter
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Mark me down as someone brought into comics by Secret Wars. At the time I was 12 years old was occasionally reading comics. After picking up Secret Wars #1 I became hooked on Marvel. Secret Wars was the spark that made me check out the Fantastic Four, Spiderman and the X Men and beg my parents to take me to the comic store to look for back issues. I actually met Jim Shooter at a comic convention a couple of years ago and thanked him for that and am unapolgetic about it. Of course Secret Wars II was quite a letdown, but I still can go back to the first series and it puts a smile on my face.
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Victor Rodgers
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In Marvel Age, Shooter said the New Universe had nothing to do with the Beyonder.
Edited by Victor .R. Rodgers on 09 February 2006 at 10:23pm
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Daniel Gillotte
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The little glimpse of the New Mutants on that SW II cover made me wonder...
what were/ are JB's thoughts on the New Mutants?
I liked them quite a lot until they turned into they began to transform into
X-force... Especially the first couple of years.
Dan
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Chris Hutton
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Shooter/Quesada? I'd rather have that guy... whatshisname? Oh, yeah... STAN LEE!
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Michael Connell
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If we're picking fantasy EIC's for Marvel, can you imagine today's "talent" having to face Martin Goodman? I can hear that conversation now. "You want to have your hero get drunk and kill someone?!" "Do you even understand what a hero IS?!!?"
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Rob Hewitt
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I have a feeling Martin Goodman would have done whatever would have sold. Which of ocurse given the time period, and restrictions, would not have been some stuff done now.
Edited by Rob Hewitt on 10 February 2006 at 7:55am
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Matt Hawes
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Considering that when Martin Goodman sold off Marvel, he started publishing comics as Atlas-Seaboard, Goodman might not be the best choice, were he still with us. As Rob, notes, Goodman was known for following trends.
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James C. Taylor
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In fact, it is Goodman's propensity for following trends that created the Marvel Age of comics (as Marvelites call it) since the Fantastic Four was created in direct response to DC's success with the Justice League of America.
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Matt Hawes
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Yeah, but if pretty much anyone else other than Stan Lee and Jack Kirby had tackled that assignment, it would'nt have flown, I'd wager.
As I understand it, Atlas-Seaboard was Goodman's attempt, in part (and partly because of how he believed his son was mistreated at Marvel after he sold the company), to prove that he was the genius behind Marvel Comics's success in the 1960's, not Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, or Steve Ditko.
Following trends, alone, does not make one successful, and certainly not revolutionary. What made Marvel soar was that Stan Lee only loosely followed his boss's order, and went on to create something unique with his partner, Kirby.
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Gregg Allinson
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Yes and no. Yes in the sense that Goodman wanted a superhero title. No in the sense that it was Lee and Kirby who made that superhero title work. As I've always heard the tale, Goodman wanted to revive Captain America, Namor, and the original Torch one more time, but I suspect if he had and lesser talents had been involved with that revival, it would've gone the way of the 1950s "big three" revival: an aborted last gasp instead of the start of a new era.
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Matt Hawes
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Since our posts pretty much echo each others, I assume you were responding to James's post, Gregg?
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