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Lance Hill
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| Stan Lee, when he revolutionized superhero comics with Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko, didn't do it with the idea of creating a legacy. He did it to make money and do the comics he wanted. |
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The difference is though, that (with very few exceptions) they used their own brand new characters.
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Joe Zhang
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| Posted: 14 January 2006 at 3:58pm | IP Logged | 2
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"I think creators of today should say f**** the legacy, let's do the
best comics we can, let's sell as many as we can, let's make as much
money as we can and let history decide if anything we did was
worthwhile."
That by itself wouldn't be so bad, if the Quesada and his stable of writers didn't stop at f****ing the legacy.
If they really wanted to make as much money as possible, they would be
writing for the general audience, of which children and young adults
are an integral part of.
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Rob Hewitt
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| Posted: 14 January 2006 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | 3
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Well, they still make more money on new comics than DC...............
So maybe we should stop with just Quesada bashing and expand it to the guy at DC too!
Since, with the most recognizable comic characters in the world, they haven't had any success in reaching the "general" audience.
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Jason Fulton
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Maybe the problem is that readers are not Marvel and DC's customers - retailers are. For all we know, half of the sales on Infinite Crisis #1 or Ultimates #1 are just 'dead' copies, sitting in some retailer's back issue bin, destined for a quarter box.
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Robbie Patterson
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| Posted: 14 January 2006 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | 5
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Hmmmm it's an interesting article...
But I do have tons of problems with it, the fact is I bought the first issue
of that book (CandF) & I HATED it..One of many comics in the last few
years that have just left me wondering why it wasn't just released as a
"poster book" because the story was nonsense (another good example
would be Jim Lee & Azzerelos' unfortunate Superman issues) but to be
honest my reaction at the end of it wwas NOT to be Priests' work again...
Now, on the one hand he's telling us it should be about the CHARACTERS
& NOT the creators, while on the other trying to defend a story HE was
the CREATOR of that showed NO respect or logic to who the CHARACTERS
were... & if I was an eight year old kid I wouldn't be on the internet
reading his explanation to what happened...
I also find it iritating how often he uses the "race card" as a creator (using
the term 'a black writer' as often as he does sounds like a defense
mechanism to me & always has done.. Jim Lee isn't exactly a middle white
man is he? & he seems to be doing okay, but maybee I'm just being naive
on that score)..Also, his comments about the Black Panther book were
NONSENSE..That book is enjoyable..& pencilled by a great great artist
(even if Priest doesn't think it's "hip enough") & 100 times more enjoyable
than the mess that was C&F from issue one...
& I wouldn't compare JB's situation (not that anyone is) to Priests' in any
way because I have NEVER read a confusing, mess of a comic book from
JB yet (& certainly NEVER a first issue)
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Joe Zhang
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| Posted: 14 January 2006 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | 6
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"For all we know, half of the sales on Infinite Crisis #1 or Ultimates
#1 are just 'dead' copies, sitting in some retailer's back issue bin,
destined for a quarter box."
True. The retailers really have no choice but to support whatever
"event Marvel or DC cooks up. It's not like they can order more Dark
Horse or Image to make up for the shortfall if Spider-Man crashes and
burns.
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Michael Roberts
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I had no problem with the writing in Captain America and the Falcon. It didn't seem any different to me than what he was doing in Black Panther. Even before I looked at the above article, I blamed the artist for any confusion in the story.
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 14 January 2006 at 5:45pm | IP Logged | 8
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I like Priest a lot. I enjoyed 3/4 of his run on BLACK PANTHER, but the last 1/4 of his run on that title, along with THE CREW, was pretty much a confusing, unreadable mess. That, more than anything else, influenced my decision not to pick up CAPTAIN AMERICA AND THE FALCON. All of that aside, I agree with what he says in the article linked above.
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John Byrne
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Stan Lee, when he revolutionized superhero comics with Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko, didn't do it with the idea of creating a legacy. He did it to make money and do the comics he wanted. I think creators of today should say f**** the legacy, let's do the best comics we can, let's sell as many as we can, let's make as much money as we can and let history decide if anything we did was worthwhile.**** Does it hurt when you change direction that fast in the middle of a "thought"? Stan did not set out to "create a legacy". Correct! After all, except for the recycling of a couple of names and characters, he (along with the people he worked with) was creating something virtually from the whole cloth. He did not know if it would work. Damn sure he hoped it would, but if not, he would have tried something else. But the New Breed should "f****" the legacy he did create, and do their own thaing with characters that they had nothing to do with creating? Man, I hope that some day you create something as wonderful as what Stan and the others did, and get to sit back and watch it "f****ed" by later and vastly less talented hacks. And what the fuck is "f****"? An unprintable FIVE letter word?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 14 January 2006 at 5:58pm | IP Logged | 10
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Priest makes good points, but he still has to spend a
million years in Hell for what he did to Hal Jordan!
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Kurt Evans
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| Posted: 14 January 2006 at 6:04pm | IP Logged | 11
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Priest is an amazingly good writer, and it really upsets me that he doesn't get the credit he deserves from fans.
For example, a while back the Byrne Victims here were having a debate on who would be a great writer for Iron Man. At the time, I suggested that Priest would be perfect for the character, but I don't think anyone agreed with me.
I would absolutely LOVE to see Priest do Batman, or Iron Man, or ANY of the major comic characters. He's creative and his stories are always compelling. Yes, sometimes they are confusing, but I have to say I think that has more to do with the artists drawing them, rather than the writer.
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Vinny Valenti
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Priest has said that he would very much like to write Iron Man, but he doubts he'll ever be given a chance.
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