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Mike Baron and Chuck Dixon went to great lengths to show how The Punisher planned everything so as to avoid harming an innocent.

And, it's a conceit of the character. We seem to have let reality enter too much in to comics.

I never thought that when I was reading The Incredible Hulk or The  Punisher that they were taking out innocents as they went about things. These are levels of reality we don't need.

Kids today are not like the kids of yesteryear - they want to know who, what where, when and WHY.

Marc

It's a natural question.

And the movies (which have a lot more eyes on them than the comics) made it a center point to address these issues, even Snyder did.

The whole AGE OF ULTRON / CIVIL WAR era revolved around civilians (humanitarian workers even) that the Scarlet Witch accidentally killed in battle.

It's a very loaded issue obviously and had its in-universe consequences but Scarlet Witch carried on and this very year had a monster hit series of her own (and with other heavy ethical issues of its own as well) yet I haven't heard many voices saying "she's no longer a hero!" or anything of the sort.

Hence, my failure to see what's exactly different about The Hulk (who is, to put it mildly, a very non-traditional hero) in this context.

It would be bad writing to write the often likable Hulk and the very sympathetic Banner into such a dead end corner.  I recently read the collected FRANKENSTEIN'S MONSTER that Marvel did in the 70's.  He killed people and not enough care was taken to write him in a sympathetic light.  It lasted 18 issues, and I was glad when it was over.

"... yet I haven't heard many voices saying "she's no longer a hero!" or anything of the sort."

Well, she did hold an entire town captive and had them do things beyond their control, and now is in seclusion . So I'm not sure if she's 100% in the "Hero" category at the moment.

I guess my take on the Punisher is based on how I viewed him in those issues of Amazing Spider-Man as a kid. Mercy bullets made it a little easier to view him as a good guy but they did away with those when killing bad guys became his main thing in the 80's.

Spidey wasn't going around leaving notes or sending emails. Jonah is a professional editor. The hyphen ensures you say it right and makes the "spider" aspect hit home.

Richard- Because I have nothing else better to do I had to find out who did it first!

The Bugle along with a bunch of other papers had it "Spiderman" before The Globe put theirs out.

J.J.J.wrote "Spider-Man" for the first time in his Now magazine.

Yeah, the events on Wandavision are a lot more problematic for me, and things seem to be going the way of making her a "House of M" style antagonist in the future.

But that's an in-universe thing, as well as the Civil War thing. With the movie fans she seems to still be very popular and we've read a gazillion think pieces about her grief and stuff that were sympathetic to her.

And those same fans seem to think the Hulk kills people in his rampages and don't seem to care as well. So it's the "Hulk accidentally kills someone in battle: automatic villain" thesis that I disagree with, mainly.

Not because of my personal position about it, since I don't have one (as opposed to Superman or Batman) but just by looking at the context.