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John Wickett
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Posted: 27 March 2021 at 1:40pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

"Well, here we have the state, Utah, legislating that non-government business entities (e.g, Apple) MUST invent, install, and sell filters on their product because the state is telling them they MUST.  Perhaps against their will"

Good point.  I assumed we were talking about existing technology.  I would probably put this in the same category as CA mandating more fuel efficient vehicles.  The law created a demand for the new technology, and then the market solved the problem by filling the need.  

Like the auto industry, I'm sure Apple will turn this into an opportunity, rather than a burden.  I'd imagine a lot of parents all over the country would like to have a means to filter porn from their children's devices, and would pay a little more, or select a different brand in order to have that feature.   
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Posted: 27 March 2021 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

John W.,

Hoping we don't continue to take this too far astray from my original point of Republican hypocrisy - which you seem intent on avoiding... the filters are a different animal altogether than fuel efficient vehicle components.  With filters intended to BLOCK content (content you might not like, but content still the same) on an opt-out basis, you have First Amendment issues not present with your auto industry analolgy.

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Posted: 27 March 2021 at 4:03pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply


Well Marc, as one of the few pro-cake sale and anti-nonsalers here, I have started to turn into one of these 'doesn't want to know' people a bit now. I am exhausted. I can't begin to make sense out of half of the nonsense going on these days. I almost wrote something the other day about democracy being destroyed if the 'progressive' left get too distracted on idealistic reparations schemes and Bernie worrying over Trump's ban from Twitter (which is something that has happened to a lot of others a lot earlier besides him on that private platform).

I'm focused on the voting rights act getting put back in place because without that absolutely everything else is moot. Writer Joe Haldeman once wrote about screening out seekers of public office for certain shifty and egotism traits, when that happens you might get a decline in outrageous hypocrisy.

The U.S. has socialism in many areas. In public roads and schools, in a postal service infrastructure. It's one ingredient in a healthy country so all your eggs aren't in one basket and the citizenry aren't at the total mercy of an all or nothing private profit philosophy. Also known as balance. Balance should be everyone's goal as a requirement for a functional democracy.

I'll keep just 'knowing' as 'doing something', but I'm feeling burned by arguing sometimes with what seem to be programmed ciphers who can go very personal suddenly, plus genuinely frightened by extreme and violent rhetoric and actions increasing even with, or in reaction to, a new administration coming in. :^(

If I get my vaccine and have survived all the anti-this and that monkey-wrench people maybe I'll want to engage again.

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Posted: 27 March 2021 at 5:23pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Utah is basically a theocracy, so that kind of stupid legislation isn't necessarily a Republican thing. 

The Federal government shouldn't be in the business of banning books, regardless of which party is in control. 
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Posted: 27 March 2021 at 6:56pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

"Hoping we don't continue to take this too far astray from my original point of Republican hypocrisy - which you seem intent on avoiding"

Not avoiding anything.  I agree it is hypocritical for a Republican to demand that gay literature be removed from libraries, but then support the PA bill that opposes censorship by the left.  

There are hypocrites of every political stripe, so its not surprising to find them among conservatives.

In your original post, you asked how Republicans on this board can square our political beliefs with beliefs expressed by other people (the PA and UT officials) And my point is we don't have to.  

Republicans are not monolithic.  We don't all believe the same things.  I myself don't  support the PA statute or the removal of gay literature from libraries, so I differ from some Republicans on each of those issues.  Joe just called the UT legislation "stupid" so there's another example showing that conservatives don't all think alike.  And in another thread, Joe and I have disagreed with each other about systemic racism.



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Posted: 28 March 2021 at 1:32am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

 John Wickett wrote:
...Joe and I have disagreed with each other about systemic racism.

Who hasn't disagreed with Joe/Rod on the topic of systemic racism?
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Posted: 28 March 2021 at 3:32am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I don't think of myself as conservative. I've only ever voted Democrat, although rarely. Once for John Kerry in '04. For Obama in the Ohio primary, and then again in '08. Not a Hilary fan. 

Oh, and once for Ross Perot way back in '92. I guess the Conservative corruption got me early. 
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Posted: 28 March 2021 at 6:09am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I'm registered Republican in West Virginia. I identify as my own individual person, not by the beliefs of a political party. So I have no problem calling out the hypocrisy of the Republican Party. I don't vote a straight ticket. I refuse to allow differences in how I vote with someone to affect how I get along with them. I think modern Republicans do a lot of stupid things and have a lot of stupid legislation, I feel the same way about Democrats. I agree with Matt Taibi that the political parties supported by the media benefits when we all hate each other over political differences.
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Posted: 28 March 2021 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

I was a closet socialist for years, mostly due to the
Army, then a democrat, mostly due to my job as a
teacher. Then I became a republican after 9/11, mostly
because we finally made Hussein pay for what he did
during the first Gulf War. But I left the party because
of Trump, and lately, I have been much happier as a
moderate independent, because nothing is cut and dried,
and the answer to most problems, much like the truth,
usually lies somewhere in the middle.
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Posted: 28 March 2021 at 2:29pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

John W., 

I was wrong to accuse you of avoiding the subject of Republican hypocrisy and WORSE, I know full well both parties are FULL of it.  I guess I just always thought the Republicans were a little more stalwart in their full-throated pro-free market economic message.

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Posted: 29 March 2021 at 8:23am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

"I was wrong to accuse you of avoiding the subject of Republican hypocrisy"

Thanks, I appreciate that.

"I guess I just always thought the Republicans were a little more stalwart in their full-throated pro-free market economic message."

Some are.  But I understand the sentiment.  I was a Democrat for years because in national politics, Republican policies didn't match their rhetoric when it came to the economy and small government, and I agreed with the Dems on many social issues (abortion being the huge exception)

On the flipside, I think its possible for a political leader to be too much of an idealogue, which results in pragmatic solutions to problems not being implemented, and no compromise between the parties.  

I think the best leaders stick to their core principles, but are not so rigid with respect to their vision of what government is supposed to be, that its impossible to get anything done.  Maybe that's allowing for a little bit of hypocrisy.  

Thoughts?


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Posted: 29 March 2021 at 8:44am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Marc - One thing I have never understood was how Republicans go on about "less government" or "smaller government", yet have no problem with taking away the rights of women to choose.

To me that seems hypocritical. 

This whole "sports" issue they have just smacks of the "bathroom" issue they had in North Carolina...and we saw what happened to that once things like losing the NBA All-Star game cost their local economy.

I think most of us know what these kinds of bills really mean..."we're afraid of what's different than what we see in the mirror or that goes against our belief system".  It's a shame that in this day and age we even need the Equality Act, that being said I really hope the Dems do the right thing and force it through without any support from the Republicans.
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