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Matt Reed
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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 1:17am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

 Michael Roberts wrote:
As a suburban voter in California, I've never waited more than 10 minutes to cast a vote. Meanwhile, there were voters in Georgia who were in line for more than 8 hours.

Just to add a counterpoint, in the March elections I waited in line over 2.5 hours here in LA to vote.  Lines were longer at other locations.  During the November election, lines wrapped around the block even accounting for social distancing as well as every registered voter in the state getting a ballot in the mail.  Yes, agreed, places like Texas disenfranchised voters by limiting polling places as well as drop off locations, but to say that suburban voting takes minutes in California is (in my experience) a fallacy.  I waited for an hour to vote for Obama in 2008.  Again, not as long, but not shorter than a typical drive-thru dining experience either!
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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 1:28am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

 John Wickett wrote:
It would be disappointing to see him stoop to the level of using evidence he didn't believe in just to stir up public outrage.

As has been commented on several times previously, have you not seen/heard/read Giuliani over the last four years?  Have you not witnessed with your own eyes Giuliani riling up the base with baseless accusations?  Was the entire Hunter Biden computer bullshit not the final nail in the coffin before his gathering of reporters at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping debacle OR his embarrassing presser at RNC headquarters? 

Seriously?  

"It would be disappointing" (emphasis mine) implies that you are not, as of yet, disappointed in him.  What has he done to engender any sort of faith in the man?
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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 4:38am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

It would be disappointing to see him stoop to the level
of using evidence he didn't believe in just to stir up
public outrage.
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Apologies because these feels like being kicked from
multiple directions at once.

But really, did you type that with a straight face?
That sentence implies that you do not think he has yet
stooped to that level.

Which seems to sum up the problems that exist in America
at the current time.
No matter what Trump and his team have done, it is not
yet at a level that has breached the tolerance threshold
that his supporters have.

If I had supported anyone in the past, and they did what
these people had been doing in the last four years,
especially what they had been doing in the last year, I
would not be able to even attempt to defend them.

As an example: I have cut ties with friends because they
have tried to convince me that climate change does not
exist, that Covid does not exist and that the vaccine
will be used to track us.
Where did they get these notions? Trump and his team.
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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 5:05am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

that the vaccine will be used to track us.

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I find it hilarious that in the US and the UK, over 80% of adults have a smartphone, which means they are literally walking around with a GPS, camera, and microphone, but people are convinced that the government is going to track them with injected microchips.
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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 6:18am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Michael, I've had all sorts of, let's call them
conversations, on various linked topics similar to this.
none of them make sense in a world where we have
smartphones, social media and debit cards.

One of the more crazy ones I had was that people were
posting the Lord's prayer on facebook, prefaced by a
paragraph about them doing this because Facebook was
banning the Lord's prayer.

I put a link to a 'That's nonsense' page and said that
there are enough real things to worry about without
inventing them.

The first reply I had was someone banging on about how
they could see the day Facebook made you have to post
allegiance to something or other otherwise they would ban
your posts. They ended with 'Of course, I'm just being
hypothetical'.

I tore them a new one, especially in light of my original
point and that you could just, you know, not post to
Facebook.
They said the problem was how I interpreted what they had
written, when in reality, they knew exactly what they
were doing.

I'm just really fed up of this culture where people just
make up a doomsday scenario, post it claiming that it is
real, with naff all evidence, and then other idiots wed
to the cause and say anyone who actually has the two
brain cells to rub together and can see the idiocy of it
all are wrong, and then it all ends up in an argument
with me thinking 'How on earth did we end up talking
about this, which is like the worst science fiction ever
written'?
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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 1:17pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Guiliani was an utter disgrace and on his way out to obscurity on that horrific September day in NYC. There was a Mayoral election and he wasn't in it. Unfortunately he somehow got recast as the "hero of 9/11" rushing about the streets, and given all the incredible heroes that day it takes some kind of hubris for him not to disown the title I think.

He was horrible and clearly a racist to the previous Mayor Dinkins (r.i.p.), as was his pal even then Trump. People who didn't and don't pay any attention really have no right to support or promote these genuine deplorables. I don't know of a single New Yorker who had much good to say about Rudy while he was in office before that day, I heard all kinds of stories about his so-called cleaning-up/getting tough that was not good where you'd almost think he genuinely hated what the city actually was at least as much as neighborhood wrecking ball Robert Moses.

Trump absolutely should've been removed from office on multiple grounds. People will look back (if there are people) and find so many thing hard to believe happened from this time of the joke president. I hope by then a real conservative party has regrouped, and not one that exists simply to destroy, stop and blame 'the enemy' on all things.
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"But really, did you type that with a straight face?  That sentence implies that you do not think he has yet stooped to that level."

James, I think he's stooped pretty low with respect to things he's said and done as a political operative, and yes, Republicans have breached my tolerance threshold several times over the past few years.  So have the Democrats.  

I think we have a huge problem with hyper-partisanship among our elected leaders and the press, to the extent that the ends almost always justifies the means.  Consequently, over the top rhetoric, false, and misleading statements, and half truths have become the norm.  I have found that to be tremendously disappointing for quite some time.

With regard to the specific comment you are responding to, I was expressing my disappointment that Giuliani would allow that to extend to his conduct as an attorney. 

And for the record, its too soon to say whether that will be the case in this instance.  As I mentioned to Brad, Paragraph 70 in the Notice of Contest in the case we were discussing (Law v. Whitmer) DOES allege exactly the type of fraud that was described in the poll worker's affidavit.  So the affidavit may or may not end up being used in court. 




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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

With regard to the specific comment you are responding to, I was expressing my disappointment that Giuliani would allow that to extend to his conduct as an attorney. 
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I think this is fair comment, given you expressly made reference to his resume as an attorney in the original comment.

But I would contend that tied in with the over-the-top rhetoric, misleading statements and so forth that you also reference is that the people doing so should know better. If Guiliani is hyperbolic and reckless in front of the cameras and microphones of the mass media for the last few years, whilst conducting himself in a shrewder and more circumspect manner in court, this tells us inarguably that he knows he is being a dick in front of the media.
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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 6:26pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Agreed.
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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 8:39pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I am trying to figure out why a superdelegate voting against the will of the people isn't treason.


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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 9:02pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Holy crap.

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Posted: 26 November 2020 at 9:39pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Don't the people who think the Democrats stole the election think that they would have also swept the House, the Senate and the various Governorships that were up for grabs at the same time if they had the ability to rig things in their favor? 

If I rolled my eyes any harder at those fools, my eyes would look like the rollers on a slot machine.
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