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Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 November 2020 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | 1
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Another one of my aunts is a Trump supporter on the `voter fraud' train....
Yeesh.
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Mark Waldman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1272
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Posted: 17 November 2020 at 5:02pm | IP Logged | 2
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Yes, every other election (more or less) was conducted with a winner and a loser but suddenly now EVERYTHING is fraud if it's not in the favor of the worst president ever. They forget he claimed fraud daily before 2016, then when he "won", there was suddenly no fraud. In the states he won this time, no fraud. Only if every vote isn't for him, it's fraud. Logic.
Nice however to see the dumbing down of society isn't contained to just the youth Your aunt, Brian and many of our relatives, are still open to a good brainwashing.
Question, may have been asked already but when does this become something the Democrats pursue legal action over? I can't imagine even the not so credible Supreme Court would rule in favor of not turning over briefings to the president-elect?
Another one, if the 25th Amendment isn't being considered now, what exactly would it take for it to be so? You have a president who plays golf, tweets conspiracy theories, is trying to burn every shred of democracy to the ground, DOES NOT DO HIS JOB EVEN FOR A MINUTE EACH DAY, encourages violence, etc. I think this and the previous subject need to be talked about more. Feigning shock isn't enough.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14812
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Posted: 17 November 2020 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | 3
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Another one, if the 25th Amendment isn't being considered now, what exactly would it take for it to be so? You have a president who plays golf, tweets conspiracy theories, is trying to burn every shred of democracy to the ground, DOES NOT DO HIS JOB EVEN FOR A MINUTE EACH DAY, encourages violence, etc. I think this and the previous subject need to be talked about more. Feigning shock isn't enough.
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What's there to talk about really? Over 73 million people are aware of this, and it doesn't seem to be a dealbreaker for them.
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4721
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Posted: 17 November 2020 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 4
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His supporters don't seem to mind because so far Trump has NOT been held to any serious consequences to his actions.
I'm hoping this will change in a few months.
-C!
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Rebecca Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 February 2018 Location: Canada Posts: 4511
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Posted: 17 November 2020 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | 5
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It seems like Trump and Graham have/had some kind of plan to find a few real if superficial 'irregularities' in mail-in ballots, like in the signatures, and then parlay that into all mail-in ballots are in doubt requiring a ruling from a high court they have stacked with partisan judges. Graham got caught out on it today thanks to at least one honest Republican Georgia state official he was pressuring. They say things like Trump's lawsuits are long shots, but they are not even that, they are simply not real. Even the lawyers he used to file them had to quit because there were no actual cases or evidence. Using terms that provide even the slightest wiggle room, like long shot, are still empowering him! When there is no reality there they have got to be plain about that. Covid is not going to disappear one day if we do nothing, do they have to try every feeble utterance or tweet to prove it is not real? Another Republican senator falls to covid just as others are 'protesting' masks being mandatory on the Senate floor. So we do them no favors by even the slightest 'doubt' being allowed in. If only just the foolish were effected but sadly a lot of innocent people are being harmed, and not just all the careers ended of people who were doing their job and someone with power didn't like that reality. Medical professionals are taking a beating, they are begging many states leaders to mandate masks. It has nothing to do with 'liking' or 'not liking' and should've been entirely about a tool to allow some kind of contact and function to go on... if everyone would wear masks.
Biden and his team are being totally caught by surprise by Afghanistan troop reductions and decisions about Iran and China. Not inspiring much confidence in the U.S. generally. There is no reason not to have transition information happening for Biden as of a week ago.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14812
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Posted: 17 November 2020 at 7:52pm | IP Logged | 6
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His supporters don't seem to mind because so far Trump has NOT been held to any serious consequences to his actions.
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His supporters are literal dying while in denial of their disease because their Orange Beloved Leader said it was all a hoax. If they aren’t going to hold him accountable for that, I’m not holding my breath waiting for them to hold him accountable for anything else.
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Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 November 2020 at 9:57pm | IP Logged | 7
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Mark Waldman wrote:
Another one, if the 25th Amendment isn't being considered now, what exactly would it take for it to be so? |
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One sad Constitutional weakness that the Trump presidency has exposed is that the checks and balances on presidential power are only effective if Congress is willing to act responsibly and for the greater good of the nation. We presently have a situation in which a majority of Republicans perceive that there is political advantage in continuing to enable Trump, and they are choosing to make that their top priority. The founding fathers obviously did not envision a scenario in which a president would engage in misconduct and over half of Congress would be unwilling to hold him accountable.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 16429
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Posted: 18 November 2020 at 12:04am | IP Logged | 8
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Jason: "...One sad Constitutional weakness that the Trump presidency has exposed is that the checks and balances on presidential power are only effective if Congress is willing to act responsibly and for the greater good of the nation. ..."
Before Trump's administration, I believed the nation would be safe from some nutjob in charge because of the checks and balances, but even with my pretty solid normal cynicism, I somehow overlooked that Congress, if led by the same party, would allow a tyrant like Trump to run rampant to keep their power. Disgusting and disgraceful.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 November 2020 at 1:17am | IP Logged | 9
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Biden needs to rehire every one of these Trump firings that has happened since election night.
This is beyond a joke now
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Marc Baptiste Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3655
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Posted: 18 November 2020 at 4:21am | IP Logged | 10
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During the first term of President George W. Bush, a lot of Democrats were certain the presidency had been stolen from Vice-President Al Gore - remember the chants of "President-Select, not President-Elect."
Then we had 8 years of more than a few Republicans thinking that President Obama was foreign born and thus illegally OCCUPYING the office of President of the United States.
Then 4 years of Democrats believing Trump was an illegitimate president having been elected with help from Russia.
And now we will endure at least 4 years of a very large segment of the Republican electorate believing Biden "stole the vote".
Banana Republics have NOTHING on us!
Marc
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 November 2020 at 6:06am | IP Logged | 11
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Good point Marc - 16 years of build up and undermining of the election results.
Where do people think it will end?
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Marc Baptiste Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 November 2020 at 7:52am | IP Logged | 12
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... and by the way, can anyone explain to me what the United States Senator from South Carolina was doing telephoning the Secretary of State of Georgia to discuss vote counting technicalities while the Secretary was extremely busy counting votes in a highly contested recount?
Marc
Edited by Marc Baptiste on 18 November 2020 at 7:52am
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