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Adam Schulman
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

It's...OK. Very few laugh-out-loud moments. 
Maria Bakalova is
great, often much more impressive than Sacha Baron Cohen. I hope she gets
more work over here in The West.




(edited for title -- Tim)


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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 11:31am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Skipped the first, shall surely skip this.
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 11:40am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I laughed solidly for the first fifteen minutes but that slowed down once
the plot kicked in. I think Baron-Cohen deserves credit for being able to
pull this stuff off after 20 years. One might think people would be on
their guard when being interviewed by a ludicrously-accented
whackadoo in a ludicrous costume and sometimes a ludicrous full latext
mask, but one would be wrong. The Guiliani segment is still damning in
context, even if one assumes he knew she was an adult. His behavior
was grossly inappropriate, even if he wasn’t masturbating.

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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Baron-Cohen is brilliant but even brilliance can run up against a brick wall, and I think this has happened to him more than once. 

And yes I'm for anything that embarrasses Guiliani, not that he doesn't embarrass himself every time he opens his mouth. 

Cohen in a very expertly-made Trump costume invading the CPAC conference was hilarious. That much I'll give him.
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Posted: 27 October 2020 at 12:13pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

And I'll always enjoy Cohen the Jew playing such an absurd anti-Semite. It was funnier in the first movie though the scene in the synagogue with the Holocaust survivor turned out to be rather touching. (Though I could've done without Cohen's over-the-top "Jew" costume, which fell flat.)  
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I've updated the title of the thread, although I think the full title is very funny in
its absurd length: " Borat Subsequent Moviefilm: Delivery of Prodigious Bribe
to American Regime for Make Benefit Once Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan" -
which is similar to the original film and reminds me of Monty Python's "The
Album of the Soundtrack of the Trailer of the Film of Monty Python and the
Holy Grail"

I thought this movie was hilarious and brilliant at the same time. Maria
Bakalova goes toe to toe with Cohen in improv comedy and character work to
create something extraordinary.

I think the genius of the first film was how Cohen and Larry Charles would use
these moments with people who don't realize Borat is an actor and mold those
moments into scripted scenes to form a narrative. This film has a much
stronger narrative, and it feels more whole.

I relish when Borat reveals terrible people being terrible, but in the instances of
the nanny and the synagogue scenes, Borat reveals people who are inherently
kind in the face of his racism and misogyny.

What is incredible to see is Borat having to disguise himself because he is too
well known in America. As Stephen Colbert pointed out in a great interview
with Cohen this week, It results in Cohen acting as Borat acting as another
person.

This is also the kind of truth telling that comedy does best - they have Rudy
Giuliani sticking his hand in his pants in a movie released just the moment
Guliani was spearheading a last ditch disinformation hail Mary about Hunter
Biden to the media.




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Rodrigo castellanos
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Posted: 28 October 2020 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

The first BORAT was the movie I laughed out loud the most with in my life. That collective experience at the theater was unforgettable, and I will be forever grateful to Mr. Baron Cohen for that.

Having said that, I thought this one was solid enough. Some great set pieces and Bakalova is amazing. But, as many have diagnosed already, we live in a different world now and the genius of the earlier Borat in getting people to confess to things they normally wouldn't isn't necessary anymore. Now folks say awful stuff for everyone to hear all the time, with no wacky fake foreign reporters involved.

The Giuliani scene left me puzzled. Not for his extremely creepy behavior which had already been spoiled for me but as to why did Baron Cohen chose to interrupt it. What would have happened if he'd gone all the way? Or at least a few more moments? Without putting Bakalova in danger of course but I find it strange that Baron Cohen, of all people, chose to stop it immediately. 

Too crazy even for his standards? (Doubt it) Possible legal repercussions? I would've loved to be a fly on the wall on that one.

 
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Posted: 28 October 2020 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

What do you want? For Giuliana to whip out his ... mayor?
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Posted: 28 October 2020 at 6:52pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Borat defends Giuliani. 


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which had already been spoiled for me but as to why did Baron Cohen chose to interrupt it. What would have happened if he'd gone all the way? Or at least a few more moments? Without putting Bakalova in danger of course but I find it strange that Baron Cohen, of all people, chose to stop it immediately.

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In his interview with GMA, he said he stopped it for Maria Bakalova’s safety. 
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In his interview with GMA, he said he stopped it for Maria Bakalova’s safety.

I get that, but I also... don't?

I've seen most of Baron Cohen's oeuvre and contrary to the first superficial impression one might have, his work is very methodical, detailed, and very, very, carefully planned and executed.

For a stunt like this, his production team worked for months to build Bakalova as a conservative foreign reporter with enough credibility for White House staff and press to "buy it" and vouch for her in order to get that one on one with Rudy.

He'd also had to be "tipped" that Giuliani was prone to act in this way, probably by having similar experiences with real young female reporters.
If not, what would be the point? You wouldn't waste months of work if you were told the man was incapable of doing such a thing or was never inappropriate in any way.

So he set the stage, with the flirtatious Bakalova and the adjoining bedroom filled with cameras, etc, kind of "knowing" what was going to happen, as he usually does. 

And then he instantly cuts it. 

Runs away from the situation he created, even. Something I'd never seen him doing before. Escalating situations past their brink is kinda his thing.

I get the safety issue, but at the same time I've seen an entire film of him and Bakalova being exposed to all kinds of situations that seemed far more dangerous or risky than Rudy on a bed.

I'm not trying to imply anything, I honestly don't know, but something's missing for me.



 
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For a stunt like this, his production team worked for months to build Bakalova as a conservative foreign reporter with enough credibility for White House staff and press to "buy it" and vouch for her in order to get that one on one with Rudy.

Not saying you're wrong, but the Trump administration has a really low bar on vetting people.


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Runs away from the situation he created, even. Something I'd never seen him doing before. Escalating situations past their brink is kinda his thing.

Sure, for himself. At the end of the day, Baron Cohen is the movie producer and Bakalova is a mostly unknown, 24 year old actress. There's a power imbalance there, and he should (and did) err on the side of protecting his actress.

Letting Rudy whip out his dick seems like a logical line to avoid crossing.
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