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Eric Jansen
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| Posted: 18 July 2020 at 12:10am | IP Logged | 1
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Alex Ross is super-talented and he has an amazing eye for design. That said, not everything he does is perfect or needs to be seen. Cyclops and Nightcrawler with full-torso "X's" is dumb. (And he's not the only one who's tried it! And it always looks dumb.)
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Marc Baptiste
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Big fan of Alex Ross here, and way back when those costumes were featured in WIZARD I thought "very cool!" but I have to confess they don't really hold up for me.
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Eric Sofer
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Black did have to tend to be represented by blue highlights at the least (or it's bleed, bleed, bleed)
CONJECTURE (so it's not real, kay?) I wonder about Superman and Captain America, and if THEIR blue costume parts were actually supposed to be black. My, wouldn't THAT make it interesting?
I have no Photoshop ability at all, so I can't fiddle with it... but a topic with a black and blue switch on costumes could be loads of fun!
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 18 July 2020 at 12:27pm | IP Logged | 4
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Superman’s blue was originally cross-hatched, tho that was likely because the strip would have been printed in black and white. The blue on Cap’s uniform is technically the blue of the flag, which is very nearly black.
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Vinny Valenti
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| Posted: 18 July 2020 at 12:31pm | IP Logged | 5
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A conundrum! Somebody posted this on Facebook today:
With open space on Wolverine's mask, which was left open because of the flashlight, so at least there's a good reason for it here. The colorist made it blue (as well as making his face and arms as yellow as the rest of his costume). What color should have filled in the open space of the mask?
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Doug Centers
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I like the way it was handled with a lit match...
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Mark Haslett
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Is this black car actually white? Red? Blue?Do these "debates" actually have a point?
Edited by Mark Haslett on 18 July 2020 at 4:21pm
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John Byrne
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In the old four-color days, blue was pretty much a universal default. (Crazy thing is, I figured that out when I was, like, eight years old.)
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Eric Smearman
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I don't recall ever thinking that Superman or Lois Lane had
blue hair. I definitely remember other kids thinking it but
I seemed to understand the idea of highlighs. Of course, it
should also be noted that I watched reruns of the 60s
Filmation THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN where his hair was
a flat black. Maybe that helped?
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Mark McKay
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In the old four-color days, blue was pretty much a universal default. (Crazy thing is, I figured that out when I was, like, eight years old.)
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So did I. This was never a question in my mind.
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Eric Jansen
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| Posted: 19 July 2020 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | 11
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Blue was fine, it was when hair was highlighted with gray or even white that looked weird! (You know when you grew up reading comics!)
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James Woodcock
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The only time I have been confused by blue/black (that I recall, from
reading comics since I was around 3), was Spider-Man.
It did not dawn on me that his costume should be black not blue until
JB pointed it out.
I wonder if reading the comics in black & white reprints helped with this
- heavy shading on ‘blue’ costumes clearly meant they were black.
Ditto for ‘ blue’ hair - of course it was black.
I had never seen someone with blue hair, so I assumed it was black.
Brown if someone had coloured it that way.
Oh, wait, I think I may have thought the X-Men changed from black to
blue, but I may be making that up - memory & passing of time.
But Cyclops in the new X-Men, & Neal Adams time? Clearly black
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