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Joe Zhang
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Posted: 20 June 2020 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

This is a far-Left takeover of society in the midst of a economic collapse in the midst of a pandemic. All we need is Godzilla showing up to complete the party. 
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That will happen in November when Trump is re-elected.
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 Joe Zhang wrote:
This is a far-Left takeover of society in the midst of a economic collapse in the midst of a pandemic.

Who are you?  Seriously.  What sub-Reddit hole have you crawled out from under?
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Since I mentioned her name, a bit of history:

Betty Crocker thru the ages.

1986 almost seems to have a bit of an... attitude!

1996 looks strangely like Jimmy Fallon in drag!

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Just spent a few minutes googling “racist advertisements 1900s”. More than racism presented. We have come so far! Shameful that we still have so far to go.
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"Who are you? Seriously. What sub-Reddit hole have you
crawled out from under?"

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It's weird. I remember a few years back, Joe used to
take a lot of guff from some folks here, and I didn't
get it. Seemed a nice enough guy to me. This "new" Joe
I just don't get at all.
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Even our beloved superhero comics weren't immune. Some of them were pretty awful.


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Reading on line today about the history of racism in this country. A tale of going from bad to slightly less bad. Illuminating.

One thing learned puts a slight twist on the interpretation of that CAPTAIN MARVEL cover. Our modern eyes see the grotesque portrayal of the Black character and stop there. But something is happening that would have been unthinkable a few decades earlier: the Black man (who is not dressed in tattered clothes) is helping Cap. And not as a slave, not even as a servant, but simply as something we take for granted today: a workmate.

Thru tiny steps are great journeys begun.

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I agree entirely, Mr. Byrne. One step at a time, no matter how small, is how change begins. Just look outside the window to see it IN ACTION RIGHT NOW. Our children and grandchildren may well ask us how the equal rights began, and we were alive to see it, and relate it!

One thing bothers me.* Far too many modern people look at Steamboat, or Uncle Ben's rice, or "Gone with the Wind", or Amos and Andy, and say, "How is this possible? How could they allow these travesties?"

They lack historical context. At the time, it was the standard, and there was nothing else to compare it to. Was it abhorrent? Absolutely. But racism and religionism were rampant, and it was hard to put up much resistance.

Judging those occurrences by today's standards is a fool's game. Observing them and the changes afterwards are not. But one cannot expect to experience those with today's eyes and be mystified. What should be done is what's being done; prologues are being added to explain what they're seeing. DC's been doing it for a while now, and obviously "Gone with the Wind" will follow suit; I have to assume that more such will do the same.

Learn from the past; change today; but don't judge it. It can't hold up.

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One step at a time—but we must keep on taking those steps!
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I forget where I read it, but a critic once described Steamboat as something like "a sort of Platonic Ideal Negro," where the portrayal was excruciatingly stereotyped to the pop culture standard of the time, but the character himself was resourceful, helpful and brave.
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The family of the woman who was used as the current model for Aunt Jemima is against getting rid of it. 

All I can think of is that they must be getting royalties from the use of the image that will go bye-bye.
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