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Paul Gibney
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Oh, great, now they have to kill me....
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Realizing that's Thor, not BC.

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Olav, how could I have forgotten HOWARD THE
DUCK?!?
And now how can I do it again!!?

Just kidding, I like the movie. I just always
compare their monster to the one in CONAN THE
DESTROYER and its clever commemorative statue.

If JOHN CARTER had been made back in the '80s
heyday of barbarian movies, it'd probably been
seen as a ripoff of them, too. A Thundarr or
YOR, HUNTER OF THE FUTURE. Flash Gordon and
Buck Rogers were lucky to still have pop
culture standing back then -by which I guess I
mean moving pictures- that their remakes were
known to be such. John Carter or the Lensmen
have a harder fight.

Come to think of it, only association makes
Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and Brick Bradford
sci-fi names. JOHN CARTER OF MARS woulda
worked if they hadn't been afraid of "Mars" in
the title. I don't think "Barsoom" is a
workable substitute. "Warlord" also wouldn't
work without "of Mars" at the end. JOHN
CARTER: JEDDAK. No problems there!

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JOHN CARTER - WARLORD

Works for me.

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One of the smallest disappointments in my life was when ER did a story about some injured fans being brought in from a sci-fi con, and NOBODY made a remark about Dr John Carter, one of the regulars.

Probably lawyers in there somewhere.

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James Woodcock
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See what happens when you don't check in on a thread for
a while? People have a whole discussion about something
you wrote and you miss it, apologies to all.

Yes, Secret Wars 3 was a snide remark about the Bendis
written Secret Wars and how a title that had been
associated with cosmic level stories became about an
infiltration team. Fully realising that it really was a
title and was not connected in any way to the previous
two.

Back to John Carter (which I would say I very much
enjoyed and thought it was a crying shame it was wrecked
by marketing).
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My introduction to John Carter was via a Dell(?) comic published in the Sixties. Very little in common with the source material, but I still took an instant liking to Tharks.
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Olav Bakken
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Mars Needs Moms also had the problem of being made with performance capture. There are some complaints about the so-called uncanny valley in that regard, which actually doesn't bother me that much. The problem is the actual performance. When they use those performance capture suits, something happens with their acting. Like they are just pretending to be acting, if that makes any sense.

I have never seen ER, but I'm guessing the creators has received some feedback from fans, including some info about the name John Carter, so they are probably aware of it. But still decided not to make any references.

"There was an old BC newspaper strip in which the titular character discovers that "CLAMS GOT LEGS!" The Forum's own Paul Gibney, working in a comic shop in the late Seventies, paraphrased this as "FANS GOT BUCKS!" and thus explained everything that seemed to be going on in comics right up to this day."

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My impression is that the more popular and the more money a title or limited series makes, the more those higher up in the hierarchy seems to interfere. In the effort to squeeze more eggs out of the goose that lay the golden eggs, they often end up strangling it instead.

Jack Bohn:
I liked the movie myself when I rented it on video. Maybe except from the guitarplaying thing at the end. In those days, before the net, you had no idea of the movie you rented as a kid, or even saw at the theatre (before movie critics made their presence more known on TV), was considered a flop or not.

Fans of barbarians movies would probably have watched a John Carter movie in the 80s, but it would have been relatively low budget. Like the Traci Lords version of John Carter, but without the CGI. After all, a lot of Star Wars and Alien copies were made in the 80s, and at least some of them made money.
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(You think people are not that stupid? Walt Simonson told of a letter he received, when the MANHUNTER series he did with Archie Goodwin was reprinted. An irate fan wanted to know how he and Archie had been able to steal all that ninja stuff from Frank Miller.)

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I first read Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson's Manhunter series 20+ years ago and I realized immediately how much influence this series had on both Miller's DD run and on what you,Claremont,Cockrum,and Miller did with Wolverine.
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I first read Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson's Manhunter series 20+ years ago and I realized immediately how much influence this series had on both Miller's DD run and on what you,Claremont,Cockrum,and Miller did with Wolverine.

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Leave me off that list, please. All the “ninja” hoohah got troweled into Wolverine after I was gone.

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Interestingly, there's a book called John Carter and the Gods of Hollywood, that talks about the cascade of failures around the John Carter movie...including the title, the crappy trailers, the failure to talk about how it inspired Star Wars. The decision to pull the film quickly in order to get its losses in a specific fiscal quarter (and to hide the even more massive losses of Mars Needs Moms). The book is poorly edited (or at least, it needs to have redundant sections removed) but it shows how a good movie can get kneecapped.
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Fantastic Four # 319 was actually called "Secret Wars 3", and was the conclusion of a tale begun in # 313 that effectively wrote The Beyonder out of the Marvel Universe altogether. This was during the Steve Englehart / Keith Pollard run.
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