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Cory Vandernet
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Posted: 02 May 2020 at 9:27pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Any updates on the "Significant Event" that you would be willing to share?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 6:31am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Nope. }:-)
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John Byrne
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Sidebar: Penciling that Storm image I found myself remembering a San Diego con, decades ago, where I was approached by a group of animators with a burning question. They wanted to know the color of Storm’s costume. “Black with yellow trim,” I said. An easy one!

“Don’t you mean WHITE?” was the response. And, sure enough, when their animated version showed up on TV, it was white.

Scribbling away yesterday, filling in those large black areas, I thought of this, and felt my pencil would very stronger dispute their choice, if it had a voice.

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Peter Martin
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 8:55am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

The way you draw Storm, it definitely reads to me as black. When I started reading UXM, the penciller was JRJr and it was the punk version of Storm -- and that gear read as black leather.

But by the time it got to Jim Lee, the black areas had shrunk and the white highlights had grown to large open areas that actually exceeded the black... and then it became more ambiguous.

No question in my mind that the classic costume has always been black though.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 9:20am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

It brings us back to the seemingly incurable habit of some fans to completely miss the point of long established tropes. So Superman has blue hair, Batman and Spider-Man end up wearing blue—-and Storm’s costume is white.

Comics are full of colors not found in nature. It’s important that the readers play along.

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Scott Barnett
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 11:59am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I always thought the problem arose from a lack of consistency in defining objects that are black in comics.

Superman's hair and the FF's Negative Zone costumes are black, but have blue highlights. Storm's and Northstar/Aurora's costumes are black, but the highlights are white. 

I understand why those color choices are made (Superman's hair is a different texture than Storm's cape), but it does to lend to some confusion.

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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 1:48pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Context!

Context, context, context.

Oh, and context.

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Jim Petersman
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

That is a stunning Storm! The title has piqued my interest, too. I foolishly thought I had the beats of the next few issues figured out and that 14 would be a new adventure kicking off or a focus story. T'would appear that I am wrong again!
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Jim Burdo
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JB, you've said you wanted the victory over the Sentinels to be a clean win for the X-Men, without it being retconned like the original DoFP. Will it be a clean win for the X-Men's goal of mutant acceptance? Whenever they seem to be making progress such as with Morrison, it gets reversed by a new writing team. Often it's for ridiculous reasons, like the world hates them because Cyclops destroyed a Terrigen cloud that was killing and sterilizing mutants. Before House of X, it had reached the level of misery porn. In ELSEWHEN, that one cop seemed to regard Cyclops as an accepted superhero when Shaw's Sentinels were attacking. Now we have the X-Men fighting alongside heroes like the FF and Avengers against human-killing giant robots. How will this affect mutant-baseline relations in your world?
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Will it be a clean win for the X-Men's goal of mutant acceptance?

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Why would it be?

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Jim Burdo
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Posted: 04 May 2020 at 7:09am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

With the Sentinels attacking popular superheroes like the FF and Avengers and killing humans, the anti-mutant side should be pretty discredited. Captain America would surely credit the X-Men for fighting against the Sentinels, probably even give a speech decrying hatred. There should at least be some progress.
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Brian Hughes
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Posted: 04 May 2020 at 8:16am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

More than likely, the mob mentality will conclude that if mutants were not around, the Sentinels would not have attacked.  So blame will once again fall on the X-Men while the Avengers and FF will get the thanks of the grateful.
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