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Jonathan A. Dowdell
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Thanks for posting Nathan (and Bert). This thread is very interesting.
I know Mr. Byrne does not always draw comic pages in order but if this page 12, it leads me to think there may be additional pages out there.
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Ted Pugliese
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For what it's worth, Byrne (and Stern's) She-Hulk might
be my favorite super-heroine.
BTW - Speaking of the Sensational She-Hulk, today is
Renee Witterstaetter's birthday (and Art Adams'). Here
is a picture of her with Michael Golden and me in Epcot
lol :-)
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John Byrne
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I know Mr. Byrne does not always draw comic pages in order but if this page 12, it leads me to think there may be additional pages out there. ••• Page 12 of issue 8, dropped when I was kicked off the book.
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Ted Pugliese
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You were kicked off the book?!? WTH?!?
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Robbie Moubert
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Bert Kruger
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JB or anyone know who the villain is on the cover of #11?In the corner box it says for Jen to be saying "It can't be, not you!" And story - Phantom of the ???? (Can't read what the last word is)
Anyway just trying to figure out the villain.
Thanks in advance.
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John Byrne
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Villain is no one you know. That was part of the gag.
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Bert Kruger
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Ah...thanks again.I was going through the gallery of Marvel villains in my head and was drawing a blank.
Edited by Bert Kruger on 05 April 2020 at 6:54pm
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Rebecca Jansen
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That unused page as well as those covers are amazing!
This is going to sound really stoopid of me (not that this would normally stop me anyway), but... does anyone collect the work of a specific editor? Okay, maybe you can make a case of Bill Gaines and Harvey Kurtzman at E.C., or Charles Biro titles before that... but c'mon. The editor's name sells copies of comics? I do not think so. That says where the inverted pyramid totally fails. People have made a similar comment about record producers (although I would say Joe Meek, Phil Spector or George Martin were/are very much collected and selling points). Get out of the way of the creative people for crying out loud! Especially when they have proven themselves. I'll never understand how these situations come into being that are like some accountant nobody has heard of being in the Hockey hall of fame before a solid player. There have been record producers who sacked groups and brought in hired hands to put things out, but they still sold based on using an established name of the once real group.
From everything I've read about it, this She-Hulk is obviously historic and memorable. It's now at the top of my to get someday soon list! Is it there because of who edited it, or because I would want it to go with a graphic novel nobody seems to have written a tenth as much about? No. I don't want someone to get a big ego, but it is what it is... the creative people are who you want to empower, not micro-manage. I thought the whole Marvel method was as much to make comics the way the artists wanted to, but I guess now it's supposed to have been crafty Stan Lee exploiting them. Well, either way, exploit away! I most want to buy and read what the creative people want to make, not what anybody else's 'vision' is. Editors are for coordinating, producers for facilitating, not imposing themselves on an artist (unless perhaps invited like the Beatles did with G. Martin). What has always worked best is creators, artists, writers, being enabled, not shackled and micro-managed.
Preaching to the converted I guess, but I wanted to say it, and how sad it is people didn't get a Sensational Shulkie #9 they'd have really enjoyed. I'm not a huge fan of the Miller Batman and less of it's effect on the character from then on, but can you imagine if someone had 'corrected' it to fall in line with whatever they (whomever that might've been) felt was the optimal or au currant version? Obviously a lot of people really liked it and I bought all four Dark Knight books myself, plus a couple of the Year Ones, and I hadn't bought any Batman for awhile.
In summary: Augh!
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 05 April 2020 at 8:55pm
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Thanks, Robbie!
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JB's She-HUlk graphic novel was awesome, and since I
have been sharing things John has signed for my girls in
other threads, he signed the GN for my older daughter
(so did Kim DeMulder).
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The Graphic Novel I referred to was not the JB one, but whatever was in the works before that the editor didn't want his She-Hulk to contradict.
I did follow the earlier original 40-50 cent title from the start but had dropped it by around #12. I like the idea of a more aware She-Hulk/Jen who is more than just a female Bruce Banner victim. I think John Ostrander did as well as it was in some later Heroes For Hire I finally 'met' this new version. Having a Roger Robot added to the cast could've been a lot of fun. God forbid there might be fun in a comic, eh? :^)
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