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Shaun Barry
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Define "turning it up to 11."
If we didn't stay at home and social distance (on top of more aggressive hand sanitizer use and hand washing), the numbers would be far greater than the average flu by the end of this year.
The major point has been (almost from the beginning), is this is far more contagious than the flu, with no vaccine for months or years to come.
Some people will always panic, but I think the immediacy of it all, in terms of reporting and what we should be doing, has been wholly appropriate.
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John Byrne
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Some people will always panic, but I think the immediacy of it all, in terms of reporting and what we should be doing, has been wholly appropriate.•• Except from the White House.
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Wilson Mui
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I was listening to The Prof G podcast the other day. Jonathan Haidt was on. He is a professor of social psychology
at NYU.
He sees to silver linings to this crisis.
1) This is not the big pandemic that scientists have been predicting that could wipe out half of the planet's
population. This experience will make us much more prepared for if/when it does happen. It will also prepare us
better for bioterrorism.
2) With this generation of kids, he thinks parents are structuring the lives of their children too much like going to
soccer practice and then to tutoring. This pandemic scare has left kids to find things on their own to keep busy.
Because of this, kids will grow more independent by developing their creativity and problem-solving skills.
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Brian Floyd
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Regarding #2, Wilson, I'm afraid it will be more like kids will spend even more time on their phones, computers, tablets, etc, since there's nothing else to do.
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Eric Ladd
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| Posted: 05 April 2020 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | 5
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Today, a friend of the family was at a park kicking a soccer ball around with his son and a police officer wrote a ticket for $700 to him. City parks are closed and since people really aren't allowed to be out except to walk a dog or to pick up food and medicine he got a ticket. Canada has been serious about the self isolation for a week. My family and I have been isolating for the last three weeks and hope to see some results with a downturn in cases and deaths by the end of April. Fingers crossed.
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Brandon Frye
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| Posted: 05 April 2020 at 7:38pm | IP Logged | 6
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Currently it seems like the majority of people are okay with the precautions taking place. They understand the seriousness of the outbreak and the steps needed to try and flatten the curve. Even those who have lost jobs or had to close their businesses seem largely understanding of the situation and the need to do whatever is necessary to get this thing under control. I also think most people aren't realistically expecting this to end in 2 or 3 months.
That is now.
However, if anyone believes that people are going to tolerate a shut down of a year or more as some have suggested, they may want to rethink that.
Putting aside that it would be economically unsustainable, when inconveniences begin turning into true hardships, people are going to eventually reach a breaking point. When that happens, anger and frustration will override caution and understanding. People will start going out whether they are told they can or not. It may even reach a point where crowds start gathering en masse in protest.
People aren't going to tolerate 12+ months of virtual house arrest. They simply aren't. When it finally reaches a boiling point, no amount of grim proclamations from scientists or apocalyptic charts and graphs thrown out by the media will even matter. When the economy collapses, all bets are off.
I'll give it 4 months, tops, before things get really ugly.
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Bill Collins
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I work backstage in retail, on Sunday we are only open
for 6 hours, and it was reasonably quiet, as you`d
hope on a Sunday with people only buying essentials
and on lockdown. But at 3.59pm i set the doors to
manual operation so i could let existing customers
out, and prevent people entering. There was a young
couple in their 20`s aimlessly wandering around the
store, by quarter past we had to politely tell them to
either make a purchase or leave as we had been shut
for 15 minutes. They paid for their few items and
left, non of it essential food. Basically chocolate
and a fizzy drink.
It`s selfish, ignorant people like that, who treat
shopping as a leisure pursuit that puts us all at
risk, and who will prolong the lockdown.
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Carlos Velasco
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| Posted: 06 April 2020 at 3:13am | IP Logged | 8
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A negationist Trump supporter has passed away. Her Twitter account went from mocking basic things like washing hands three weeks ago, recommending praying and buying guns instead, to ask for donations after her death.
Edited by Carlos Velasco on 06 April 2020 at 3:15am
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Trevor Smith
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"Today, a friend of the family was at a park kicking a
soccer ball around with his son and a police officer
wrote a ticket for $700 to him. City parks are closed
and since people really aren't allowed to be out
except to walk a dog or to pick up food and medicine
he got a ticket."
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Parks are a funny issue, at least here in Canada, I'm
finding. Here in Nova Scotia, parks are technically
closed, but if you live right in the neighbourhood of
one (for instance, where I live, there is a 1000 acre
park that is essentially my front yard), you are
allowed in as part of a neighbourhood walk or
whatever. But if you had to drive to get there to
then use it, you'll get a warning/shooed out, or a
ticket.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 06 April 2020 at 7:11am | IP Logged | 10
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With Dr. Fauci suggesting Covid 19 may become “seasonal”, the hard question is whether we are doing ourselves any favors by trying to hide from it. With a 2% mortality rate, that’s 98% of the infected not only surviving, but being effectively “inoculated” again future infection. Our ultimate survival—barring a miracle vaccine—may depend upon many of us NOT surviving. Culling the herd. Mother Nature is a bitch.
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Mark McKay
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| Posted: 06 April 2020 at 7:54am | IP Logged | 11
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So given that scenario, and really, really, really really, really hating to give Trump any credit on anything, is our current "cure" worse than the disease, in terms of overall impact to the country?
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Brennan Voboril
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I think we will have that miracle vaccine in the time Dr. Fauci suggested. Until then, absent a therapeutic, I believe the only way we have of combating the virus is social distancing. The true case fatality rate may indeed be below 2% - we've really no way of knowing that until we get the antibody test, and millions take it.
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