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James Woodcock
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Posted: 26 January 2020 at 2:28am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

While watching Picard I realised something. 
I struggle to equate shows that are sequels to previously broadcast shows with the same weight that I give to the broadcast shows. 

I shall explain. 
Original shows made for streaming such as Stranger Things I am ok with as they were never on broadcast TV. 
However, my mind while watching Picard was constantly going ‘Is this ‘real’?’ Does it count or is it on the level of fan fic?

I think the reason is that I have seen so many stories from alternative mediums such as comics & novels get written over that somewhere, deep down, my mind has classed streaming in the same vein & so, expects companies to one day say that it was not what actually happened. 

Anyone else get that feeling @ times?
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Not me. Specific to PICARD, it's owned by the studio that is producing it.  Therefore the method of its presentation doesn't matter at all:  streaming, broadcast, theatrical, hell, straight-to-video.  At the end of the day, if the owner of the content chooses to present it in a manner that stays current with the times, that's just the delivery mechanism.  The content remains the same.  Remember (and I know this is an American thing, so you wouldn't necessarily know), TNG wasn't on broadcast television proper (meaning it didn't air on CBS as part of their regular programming). It was a syndicated series sold to stations that were willing to pay the fee to air it.  That, in and of itself, was a milestone and a precursor to the streaming franchise we see it is today only we, as subscribers to CBS ALL ACCESS, supplant the various stations that paid to air TNG all those years ago.  
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Posted: 26 January 2020 at 4:12am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

That’s an interesting bit of info Matt. @ the time of TNG we still only had terrestrial TV & we had to wait three years for it to land there. You were on the Borg while we were on Encounter at Farpoint. 
What’s interesting for me is that series that premier on streaming or that I have only watched via streaming such as Stranger Things or The good Place do not illicit this response in me. It is purely those series that form part of an established franchise. Discovery also tweaks the same nerve. 

& even though they are made by the actual owners and even though I like them, I still have this twinge that they will be written over @ some point. 
I feel the same about the Marvel series that were on Netflix. Of course, there is a real possibility that with those they will be written over. 

Star Wars writing over its entire 25 EU history didn’t help either
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Posted: 26 January 2020 at 6:03am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

James- I definitely got that feeling while watching the 6th season of COMMUNITY.
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Posted: 26 January 2020 at 7:49am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I kind of feel that way (I only watch The Mandalorian, so I'm not as impacted as Star Trek fans) but I also don't feel like any of the Marvel TV/Netflix shows really matter because they're not acknowledged in the movies. I'm interested to see how I feel once Disney + releases their Marvel MCU shows. 
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Posted: 26 January 2020 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

My thoughts on streaming services is that they can do whatever they want. I'm not exactly upset that I'm not able to watch STAR TREK DISCOVERY, PICARD or the new TWILIGHT ZONE because I can't afford to subscribe to more streaming services. (We have Netflix and Amazon Prime, and subscribe to STARZ through the latter)

HOWEVER, I have a huge problem that they moved THE ORVILLE to Hulu. No matter the reason, having a show on television and moving it to a streaming service is a total dick move.
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Posted: 28 January 2020 at 1:53am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Streaming or broadcast it`s all the same to me.
Regarding us being 3 years behind with Next Gen, we
could rent Encounter At Farpoint from the video store
(and the first few eps of season 1, if i remember
correctly), and then later buy 2 episode videos before
they aired in the U.K. we really were seen as a cash
cow! Thankfully, Sky bought the rights to later series,
so we were more or less caight up!
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Posted: 28 January 2020 at 2:05am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

"No matter the reason"? 

So every effort to keep a show alive is a "dick move," regardless of how poorly it was performing, or how bad a fit the current broadcast environment may be?

Ratings for THE ORVILLE season 2 were down across the board, including the premiere, which aired after Fox's strongest lead-in, NFL Sunday. Additionally due to the show's complicated VFX production pipeline, a third season wasn't likely to be ready for over a year. That's a recipe for cancellation in any previous era-- but instead, it will air eventually on Hulu, for which you will be able to enjoy the entire season for less than the cost of a couple of trips to Starbucks. 
 
Now fans of the show will actually get the chance to directly vote with their dollars by signing up to view it. Given its cost-to-benefit ratio, that is the best case scenario. 


Of course, there is a real possibility that with those they will be written over. 

As Matt has pointed out, this has nothing to do with streaming, which, if anything, has made it more possible to extend content than ever before. 

"Everything's amazing and nobody is happy!"
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Floyd, after the first couple of episodes of TWILIGHT ZONE, it goes
downhill fast. You’re better off having not watched it.
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 28 January 2020 at 5:43am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Of course, there is a real possibility that with those
they will be written over.

As Matt has pointed out, this has nothing to do with
streaming, which, if anything, has made it more possible
to extend content than ever before.

"Everything's amazing and nobody is happy!"
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Not quite what I was saying, although it is related.

We are getting access to more and more content, which is
great, but I do feel that the producers of that content
are getting more and more willing to over write that
content, after selling it as being 'official'.
That has led to an increased feeling of 'Yes, I enjoy
this, but does it count?'

So yes, I am happy that we get more content, but I
struggle, in the back of my mind (and the whole point of
my initial statement is that this was a subconscious
thing that I've just noticed has coalesced into
realisation), to treat it as real, and rightly or
wrongly, the delivery mechanism seems to be a defining
factor in this (at least for me).

I fully accept that this is a quirk of me and my history
of three, then four terrestrial TV channels while I was
growing up (coupled with having to watch the odd
American TV shows in the cinema - Spider-Man and
Battlestar Galactica for example). I also am fully aware
that this only occurs to shows that did not debut on
streaming.

I'm weird, what can I say?
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Posted: 28 January 2020 at 8:30am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

My wife and I are very old school. Not fans of streaming. It's kind of our last resort. Hell, we still get blu-ray disc movies mailed from Netflix (DVD.com). 

She (more so than I) is somewhat dismissive of original or moved TV series. She'll postulate out loud that some must land on Netflix because they're not good enough for "actual" TV. 

Obviously, there's quality being produced there. But I do understand that feeling, James. 


Edited by Brian Rhodes on 28 January 2020 at 8:31am
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