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Posted: 12 December 2019 at 8:51am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

...this is still a thing.
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Ridiculous 
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The only mystery is why people are still intrigued by a cloth that was debunked both anecdotally in a diary from 1390 and scientifically by modern dating techniques. Kinda funny how some people want to believe in fairy tales so badly that they ignore facts.
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Science is useless. Anyway, off to pick up my prescription of penicillin.....
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First time I saw a picture of the shroud, in Art College in the early Seventies, I didn’t need science to debunk it. Just my eyes. “That’s the hair of a standing figure,” I said, and waited for the rest of the world to get over it.

Still waiting.

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 Eric Ladd wrote:
Kinda funny how some people want to believe in fairy tales so badly that they ignore facts.


Believing in the Shroud of Turin despite all scientific evidence to the contrary is merely par for the course if you protect, indeed promote, institutionalised ignorance.

Religion is all fun and games until they flay you for heresy or burn you as a witch, throw you off a roof for being gay, or decide whether you should have a baby or not.

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People believe what they want to believe, that`s how you
get Flat Earthers, all religions and Trump!
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It would be funny if it turned out to be an authentic relic from biblical times, but from another religion like the cult of Apollo or Hercules. 

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John 19:38-42 New International Version (NIV)

38 Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jewish leaders. With Pilate’s permission, he came and took the body away.

39 He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.

40 Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.

41 At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid.

42 Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

So, if the shroud is real, the Bible is wrong.

Of course, the Bible IS wrong, on just about everything, so maybe the shroud IS real!

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And John 20:6-7 is even more explicit in refuting this Shroud: 

"Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen."

Jewish burial, even today, features linen wrappings (plural) on the body separate from the head covering.


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Something else from Art College:

If you wrap a human head, and then lay that wrapping flat, this is what tyou ger:

It's an effect that can be seen in many antique masks.

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JB: "It's an effect that can be seen in many antique masks."


And now also in my nightmares! Yikes!
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