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Michael Penn
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Posted: 19 November 2019 at 9:29am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Dave, it's clear why flat-earthers hate us Jews: we can't control the globe if there isn't one!
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The internet does seem to have contributed to a large-scale tribalism.
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Eratosthenes not only proved the earth is a sphere but calculated the length of its circumference with great accuracy around the year 200 BC using only sticks and observing their shadows. 

Sometimes it seems the human race is getting dumber indeed.

I found the Netflix doc about Flat Earthers BEHIND THE CURVE to be quite informative. These people are not dumb, necessarily, but psychologically troubled. Most of them feel left out of the modern world and can't cope with it, so they look for like minded people that want to belong to something.

It's rather comedic how all their home-made experiments in the film prove the earth's roundness but the denial is so strong in them that they make even more outlandish theories to justify it.

There's also money involved. The most popular Flat Earth youtubers earn their living with Flat Earth, give conferences around the country, etc. When the filmmakers ask one of the most prominent ones what would happen if he was presented with irrefutable proof that the Earth isn't flat (of course this already exists, but they mean it in a way HE would believe it) he answers he would probably shut up about it and keep stating the Earth is flat.

So there's not "fixing" these guys.

 
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A flat earth is "logical", a spherical earth is not. That's the biggest hurdle. In our daily lives we are not going to encounter evidence that the Earth is a globe, and more than we are going to encounter evidence that it is not the center of Creation.

And, let's face it, both of those assertions are much more comforting to Joe and Jill Average. Gravity is a tough sell. Being a tiny spec in an infinite Universe even tougher.

Ah, well.. .

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Posted: 19 November 2019 at 11:22am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Carl Sagan called it in 1995

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Perhaps ironically, I hold Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World" as a sacred text.  Maybe the most influential book I've read as an adult.
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Ironically?
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And doubly ironic, he name-checks "Beavis and Butthead" as a symbol of America's declining intelligence when Mike Judge's own "Idiocracy" basically takes the paragraph you highlighted as a movie synopsis.
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JB: Ironically in the sense that the entire book is Sagan's last attempt to decry all forms of non-scientific, non-provable, non-testable beliefs.  So my receiving it as a 'sacred' text is somewhat counter to his intentions.  But the man was a secular saint, and the book - written while he knew he was dying - is almost painful in his desperate attempt to right the ship before he disembarked; his subtitle is "Science as a candle in the dark."

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I think you mean "metaphorically". I doubt you actually worship at the Church of Sagan.
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And doubly ironic, he name-checks "Beavis and Butthead" as a symbol of America's declining intelligence when Mike Judge's own "Idiocracy" basically takes the paragraph you highlighted as a movie synopsis.

Yeah, seems Sagan didn't really "get" Beavis & Butt-Head which is mostly a critique, not a celebration, of the TV-addicted ignorance of that generation (my generation!).

Even a genius of the level of Carl Sagan sometimes doesn't get it I guess, I don't know if that's a comforting thought or not...

But the rest of that quote is eerie in its accuracy, in 1995 the internet was in its infancy, everyone was hopeful and optimistic about the "information super highway" that was going to connect the world and enlighten us. 

That he saw a possible dark side to this that early is incredible futurology.




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 Rodrigo wrote:
That he saw a possible dark side to this that early is incredible futurology.

He wasn't alone - Arthur C. Clarke, who famously conceived of the telecommunications satellite and waxed rhapsodic about its potential, also wrote a story where a foreign power was planning to corrupt Western Civilization by basically broadcasting free porn across our borders.

And let's not forget Oppenheimer: "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."  Those at the forefront of science are sometimes the first to intuit its dangers.
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