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Ed Aycock
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| Posted: 14 November 2019 at 11:20am | IP Logged | 1
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Superman, where are you now?
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Edited by Ed Aycock on 14 November 2019 at 11:21am
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Greg McPhee
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| Posted: 14 November 2019 at 11:32am | IP Logged | 2
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It will never end.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 14 November 2019 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | 3
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Gun manufacturers pull in about $40B per year. Gun deaths in the US average around 30K per year. So, if you’ve ever wondered about the value of a human life, as a broad average it’s about $1,000,000, at least for the gun makers. (Oversimplification? Tell that to the dead people. Only, you can’t, can you?)
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 14 November 2019 at 3:25pm | IP Logged | 4
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During 2018, there were 29 homicides by gunshot in the U.K.
America has almost 100 people die each day by gunshot. The highest murder rate weapon in the U.K. is the knife, with 285 victims in 2018.
Now I know the highest death by gunshot in America is suicide. But there were still a staggering 14,500 people murdered by gunshot. That’s still 40 people per day. America has more people murdered by gunshot in one day than the U.K. does in a year.
How, HOW, can anyone make the argument that increased gun availability will save lives. It is stupidity of the greatest order. It is impossible to justify that thought process.
Made all the more worse when it is children being killed. How they sleep @ night I will never fathom.
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Casey Sager
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| Posted: 14 November 2019 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | 5
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According to the gun nuts:
1) Freedom 2) Well if you take guns away from law abiding citizens, what will they do to defend themselves against the criminals that have them?
I'll never understand their point of view.
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 14 November 2019 at 11:19pm | IP Logged | 6
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"Now is not the time to talk about gun control."
"The shooter was underage so gun restrictions wouldn't have prevented this."
Heard versions of the above with today's coverage. Also that it doesn't qualify as part of the epidemic of gun violence with just two deaths (I guess two, or three if the shooter's body ultimately succumbs, are considered healthy or normal numbers?) I guess it's true though that a gun ended the violence this time... when the shooter turned it on himself. Thanks gun, so glad you were there on the scene for that, too bad you didn't go off on his head to start with and spared the other five.
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 14 November 2019 at 11:21pm
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Nathan Greno
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| Posted: 14 November 2019 at 11:37pm | IP Logged | 7
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A friend of mine has a son who attends that school -- luckily, his child survived. I feel deeply for the victims & their families.
This just keeps happening -- and our country's leaders do nothing in response. Just terrible.
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Bill Collins
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| Posted: 15 November 2019 at 12:50am | IP Logged | 8
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I had a "discussion" about gun deaths elsewhere with an
American woman, she used U.K. knife crime to justify her
need for miltary hardware. Even though i told her the
U.K.knife crime statistics were a drop in the ocean
compared to U.S gun deaths, and that the knife deaths
here was mainly young males killing each other in drug
gang related crime, so the average person was reasonably
safe, she could not be convinced we were safer in the
U.K.
This is the mentality you`re up against.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 15 November 2019 at 1:17am | IP Logged | 9
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250 deaths by knives in the U.K. during 2018. Six days of USA gun murders.
Thanks to Trump for convincing his cabal of idiots that our knife crime is comparable to the USA gun situation. Wanker
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John Byrne
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The notion that the "bad guys" will be able to get guns no matter what the "good guys" do, and therefore that the self-proclaimed "good guys" should be able to arm themselves as much as they like--well, it makes about as much sense as saying we should decriminalize murder, since the existing laws obviously do nothing to actually prevent murder.Sadly, even in the 21st Century, Americans are still mired in a kind of Wild West mentality.
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Koroush Ghazi
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| Posted: 15 November 2019 at 7:56am | IP Logged | 11
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Also, it's a "God given right". Who are we to argue with God?
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 15 November 2019 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 12
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Sadly, even in the 21st Century, Americans are still mired in a kind of Wild West mentality------------------------------- Except in Tombstone or Dodge you were asked to check your gun in at the city limits!
Back then they had a crazy notion that States and municipalities might be able to regulate the carrying of firearms and that the right to bear arms should be subject to appropriateness of place and occasion.
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