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Brian Rhodes
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Posted: 18 October 2019 at 9:20am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

If not hubris, then what? Not altruism, at least not as presented in the comic. Scientific curiosity? Ambition? Temporary insanity?

Obviously, grief was a factor in the TV movie, but in that and the film, Banner willingly subjects himself to (or allows himself to be subjected to) an extreme dose of gamma radiation. To prove his (clearly not tested enough) theories? 

I guess one could argue that the ultimate goal in both sets of research was to benefit humanity. In the series, it wasn't going to bring the wife back, but maybe it could help prevent similar tragedies in the future. 

In the movie, he was ostensibly working on radiation resistance for soldiers (but Ross had ulterior motives). This would help save lives. 

But, still, in both cases, despite being a brilliant scientist, volunteered himself as a test subject, unaware of certain variables, clearly dismissing others.

I read that as Icarian, but am open to more apt adjectives. 

The results, in both cases, did end up saving many lives. David Banner's knack for unwittingly stumbling upon nefariousness and his Hulk's incredible strength prevented quite a few murders and other untimely deaths. 

And Bruce Banner's Hulk, because of his great strength and innate resistance to gamma radiation, ended up saving half the universe. 





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Posted: 18 October 2019 at 10:12am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

hubris

noun

arrogance, conceit, haughtiness, hauteur, pride, self-importance, egotism, pomposity, superciliousness, superiority

informal: big-headedness, cockiness.

None of that sounds like Banner in any of his many forms.

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Brandon Frye
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Posted: 18 October 2019 at 10:16am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I quite enjoyed the two Andrew Garfield Spider-Man films. 

Of course, I was so excited by mechanical webshooters (and a Spider-Man that wasn't un-masked for 80% of his screen time) that it probably jaded my perception a bit. 

The two films did have their flaws and most of them involved the villains (are we ever going to get a decent version of Green Goblin)? But Spider-Man himself was finally the Spider-Man I wanted to see.

Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor probably wasn't the best version of that character (particularly all the comic relief), but Christopher Reeve's Superman was so spot-on, I could forgive that. I feel similarly about Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man. 



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Posted: 18 October 2019 at 10:30am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

At least the Garfield Spider-Man took off his mask only when it was logical to do so--and when the rosk of revealing his identity was minimal. The Maguire Spider-Man was, well, stupid!
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Posted: 18 October 2019 at 1:08pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

At least the Garfield Spider-Man took off his mask only when it was logical to do so--and when the rosk of revealing his identity was minimal. 
The Maguire Spider-Man was, well, stupid!

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I think the worst example of this was in Spider-Man 2 when he takes off his mask while driving a car down the middle of Manhattan. It makes me cringe every time I see it. 

Doc Ock seems just as stupid too in SM2 when he throws a car at Peter & MJ while they sit in a cafe. What was he expecting to happen since he didn't know Peter was Spider-Man? 



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Jason M. - Of course, Peter Parker was probably as safe as any driver (and more so than a lot of others) since he has his spider-sense. I've wondered why Matt Murdock never tried that as a second career. Where he operates, that might be very handy indeed.

As for Doc Ock - ain't no justifying for the acts of them crazy folks!

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I think the worst example of this was in Spider-Man 2 when he takes off his mask while driving a car down the middle of Manhattan. It makes me cringe every time I see it. 

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Or Tom Holland's mask removal on the bridge near the end of Spider-Man: Far from Home. 

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I can't seem to start a new topic for some reason. So I'm posting this here.

I Googled to see if anyone had posted this. I think it might be appreciated.

LIVE ACTION SPIDER-MAN SHORT FILM

Some ambitious talented folk put together a Spider-Man film that pits him against the Enforcers in 1963.

The costume is not perfect, some period detail is flawed, and they couldn't get a real giant for Ox, but the tone and fun and spectacle and effort pays off. I am shocked and impressed and wish Hollywood would try an adaptation in this vein sometime.

Pet peeve -- I do wish they'd used Betty Brant instead of Mary Jane as his 1963 girlfriend.

SIDER-MAN FILM

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Peter Parker is Hispanic?
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I am minded to disagree with you, Mr. Byrne. I just about have "The Incredibles" memorized, and I think the characters received a great deal of respect. The only laughs I recall are Lucius Best asking Honey where is his super suit, and a little of the canoodling between Bob and Helen. I guess there was some when Mr. Incredible originally lands on Nomanisan Island to try to find the Omnidroid and he's out of shape and takes a hit or two... but it's serious enough that he starts working out to lose that weight.

It seemed that much of the super hero action is, if treated as coincidence, still showing that the heroes DON'T fail; they succeed at what the try to do in style (e.g., Elasti-Girl breaking into Syndrome's base, or Mr. Incredible making jumps and leaps perfectly and landing them.)

I think that we saw different things in the same film... but I loved it and enjoyed its treatment of heroes.

Ah, yes. Those hilarious and respectful moments when several heroes are KILLED so Brad Bird can make a dismissive editorial comment about capes.

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JB: Peter Parker is Hispanic?

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I guess. I should have mentioned that. Once the mask went on, I forgot about that.
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Shaun Barry
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It's a fan film.  Didn't bother me, looked like he was having fun.



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