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Andrew Cate Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 9:21am | IP Logged | 1
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Andy Rooney moment-
I remember when I could spend a good 20-30 minutes reading a comic. I can finish a modern trade paper back in that time now. The shift seemed to have occurred in the early 90’s, but what was the reasoning? Change in target demographic, rise in dynamic art, or was the thought that finishing a comic quicker meant buying your next comic faster?
John Carter 1977
John Carter 2014
Edited by Andrew Cate on 17 September 2019 at 9:29am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 9:26am | IP Logged | 2
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…the hell??
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Koroush Ghazi Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 9:37am | IP Logged | 3
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There's a happy middle ground where the art isn't overwhelmed by the text, and neither is it presented like a storyboard for a movie. E.g.:
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Andrew Cate Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 9:39am | IP Logged | 4
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***** .....the hell??
I can take that comment many ways....
Andrew what the hell are you talking about?
Andrew what the hell are you doing posting John Carter to prove a point?
Andrew what the hell man you make a good point, glad to have you on the Byrne Robotics team!
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Andrew......what the hell?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 5
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A representation of the way word usage has shrunk.We no longer seem even to have time for a "What" in front of "the hell."
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Andrew Cate Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 10:09am | IP Logged | 6
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Fair enough...
To add context I just finished the John Carter omnibus. Wolfman wrote the large bulk of it with CC. Loved it, but not a quick read by any means.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 10:12am | IP Logged | 7
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I wonder if we would see an increase in script if the writers decreased the words they use to describe the story and trusted the artists to draw.
Writers write, artists draw.
Seemed to work really well when that was the case before.
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Andrew Cate Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 10:19am | IP Logged | 8
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Or how about an overlay? Lift it up for those more visual and leave it down for those wanting more descriptive literature and dialogue?
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 10:44am | IP Logged | 9
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"We no longer seem even to have time for a "What" in front of "the hell."
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Ha. Here I thought you were referencing Bendis' overuse of the phrase.
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Brian Hughes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 10:55am | IP Logged | 10
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Andrew, the reason it all changed is that sales of the Trade Paperbacks of "The Dark Knight Returns" and Watchmen" demonstrated a market for printed collections.
Of course they had to label them "Graphic Novels" to lend them credibility because the masses were afraid to say they read comic books.
And so, as the comic creators noticed this, they began to write for the trades. They put together six and eight issue story lines with the intention they would be printed later in a trade paperback.
This forced many if not most to have to pad their stories or stretch them out without providing much exposition.
And so here we are. . .
Edited to correct mistakes made by my non-fat fingers. Don't know what's wrong with them.
Edited by Brian Hughes on 17 September 2019 at 10:58am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 11:02am | IP Logged | 11
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As I mentioned on a previous occasion, when working with Chris Claremont, Marvel style, I noted that the less he had to do with the plotting/choreography of a scene, the more words there would be on the page. Most books these days are (I think) done full script, so the writer does all the choreography, and the word count drops.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 September 2019 at 11:25am | IP Logged | 12
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That's a very optimistic analysis. I'ld rather say that the editors and writers suppose that the public doesn't read much books anymore, and try to make the comics as effortless to read as a tvshow or an action blockbuster are to watch.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 17 September 2019 at 11:27am
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