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John Byrne
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Posted: 03 July 2019 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Peter Tingle

Isn’t that what he gets when he has to pee?

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Yeah, because Spider Sense is so silly. The Peter Tingle is so much more 'nuanced'. Bollocks. Having Aunt May name it isn't organic. It just means you screwed up and let Aunt May know his secret identity and then compounded it by encumbering the character as far as the civilian masses go with a terrible term in the place of a much better term.
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Posted: 03 July 2019 at 11:29pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

We want to be more nuanced rather than on the nose with ‘Sider sense’.

Do they realise the insult they just gave to Stan Lee, just two movies after the change of credits to honour him?

& they really think Peter tingle is better? Really? This is why some people need the guts to say ‘No’ @ times in the movie industry.
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Posted: 04 July 2019 at 7:49am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

  

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This is today’s nerd culture. Scavenge the source material for bits and pieces to remix, rethink, and make cheap and easy jokes out of. Make Aunt May (relatively) young and (definitely) hot, have her date Happy Hogan and (almost) say “f***”. And give Spider-Man a “Peter tingle”. 

As an aside, while I understand the live-action requirement to give Spider-Man people to talk to, stripping away his secret identity and making him Tony Stark’s protege also strips away all of his agency and strength of character. As does avoiding the subject of Uncle Ben and having Aunt May out on the dating scene. The guilt, the juggling of his private life and his superhero life—these are the things which make him SPIDER-MAN. 

As I’ve said many times before, a key to the appeal of the character is that he’s an entirely self-made superhero. That spider-bite was the one thing Peter didn’t have control over. He chose to make the costume and become a showbiz star. He chose to let that burglar run past him. He chose to become a crimefighter. He chose to keep his identity a secret, and so all of his victories and defeats were entirely his own, with no outside help or support system. That’s why people fundamentally love Spider-Man, I think—his sense of agency, responsibility, and self-determination. He’s a very proactive character, whose destiny is entirely his own.

In these new films, he has an Iron Man Junior suit made by Stark, his secret identity isn’t so secret, and Aunt May has given his Spider-Sense a cutesy name. He comes across more as Spider-Boy, rather than the strong-willed, ever-struggling character created by Lee and Ditko.
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Peter Tingle

Isn’t that what he gets when he has to pee?

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And that's my third problem with this movie.
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Spider-Boy

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One of the brilliant decisions Stan made was to call a 15 year old Spider-MAN.

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One of the brilliant decisions Stan made was to call a 15 year old Spider-MAN.
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Well, that's the fantasy which Lee and Ditko created, isn't it? A nerdy teenager who's secretly a superhero, and is able to present himself in public as a confident, dashing, witty, adult superhero, at that.

The Raimi movies made the mistake of basically having Peter and Spider-Man mostly be the same soft-spoken guy both in and out of costume. There were a few jokes and puns, but that sense of Peter becoming uninhibited when in costume wasn't quite there.

The wretched AMAZING SPIDER-MAN reboot movies made the mistake of having Andrew Garfield's Peter be a cool skateboarder-type who stuck up for bullied kids instead of being one himself. Garfield's Spider-Man was a bit more on-point, but came across a little too jerky, for my tastes.And, while I do like Tom Holland in the role, now the Marvel Studios movies have gone more in the direction of Spider-Boy by reducing Peter's agency, making him a wannabe Avenger and protégé to Stark, and letting Aunt May in on his secret.The latter is especially destructive, since the guilt at the core of Spider-Man's character is tied explicitly to May Parker. Peter is responsible for his elderly Aunt May losing her husband of many decades--her soulmate. She's the only family he has left, and he caused the worst pain of her life. Making May younger and hipper and having her move past Ben's death by dating detracts from that all-important guilt. Peter can't tell her the truth, both because of his guilt, and because the shock could kill her.

And that last bit again reaffirms my point: Spider-Man is all about agency and self-determinism. He's all alone. He has to struggle and triumph and suffer on his own, without confidants or advisors or benefactors. That's what makes him heroic.

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Posted: 04 July 2019 at 6:04pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Come on JB, improving on Stan Lee and Steve Ditko is the job of Hollywood hipsters.
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Changed the thread title. Can’t believe I missed something so obvious!!
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Posted: 04 July 2019 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

You were most understandably in shock, JB. Shows you still care, after all these years of Hollywood stupidity.
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Posted: 04 July 2019 at 8:25pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Changed the thread title. Can’t believe I missed something so obvious!!
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Yeah, c’mon, JB. Leave the profanity to Aunt May!
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