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Peter Martin
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Posted: 21 October 2019 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Several red flags. One of which is the need for more than one villain.

Giachinno is doing the music though, which could be interesting.

Incidentally, I came across director Matt Reeve's filmography in a circuitous way earlier today, when I was looking through the films scored by the late, great Basil Poledouris, and was curious to see that he had written the score for the ill-regarded Under Siege 2, of all things. So, I looked at that film, just to see which poor schmuck had directed it. And then I saw that Matt Reeves co-wrote it! It was very early in his career though.
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Posted: 21 October 2019 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I'm ambivalent on this for now.

I don't know what the plan is but it was rumored that Jonah Hill was offered the Penguin role and declined.

So, lotsa villains... maybe an "Arkham Asylum" scenario or something like that.

On the casting, I'm not sold on Pattinson, Kravitz is ok by me and Dano is a fine actor but the Riddler is very hard to pull of. It would be my last choice if I had to pick a villain for a Batman film.

We'll see I guess but it can't be worse than the Snyder nightmare-verse.


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Posted: 25 October 2019 at 9:59am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Rumor is that they're doing some version of the Long Halloween, hence the pile of villains.  Even if the rumors are true, of course, its an open question whether what we get will be recognizable as that story, of course.
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Posted: 25 October 2019 at 4:28pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I agree the Riddler is a hard one to portray well. I watched the episode Hi Diddle Riddle from the Dozier Batman series the other day -- which was more enjoyable than I was expecting and the Riddles were delightful -- but Gorshin's Riddler didn't feel dead on. Much of it was good, but the guffawing just didn't feel right. A bit Joker-lite.

And Gorshin did the Riddler better than anyone, I feel.


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Posted: 25 October 2019 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

"And Gorshin did the Riddler better than anyone, I feel."

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I agree with that Peter.
I watched a John Astin Riddler episode the other day, so subdued.
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Posted: 25 October 2019 at 5:25pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Interesting fact about the Riddler: He only had two comic book appearances before the 1960s, in 1948. His first Silver-Age appearance was cover dated May of 1965, and his next comic book appearance was in March, 1966. The 1960s BATMAN TV series pilot entitled “Hey Diddle Riddle” featuring The Riddler as "guest villain' was broadcasted in the autumn of 1965 before the series launched in January of 1966.

So, Frank Gorshin would seem to have had a lot of influence in how The Riddler was portrayed, even in the comics. I know Gorshin came up with the suit, tie, and derby outfit for the character. As I recall from reading books on the TV series, Gorshin didn't like wearing the tights, and designed the other outfit. The producers decided he could alternate between outfits in his appearances.



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Posted: 26 October 2019 at 12:19am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I enjoyed Gorshin's performance in the 60's series a lot because he was a terrific actor but I agree his take was "Joker-Lite". Same for Carrey in BATMAN FOREVER, except for the part of enjoying it.

I feel there's not a definitive take on the character, he never really fully works. Even the Batman Animated Series, which is the gold standard for me in almost every aspect of the Batman world, struggled with the character.

In the comics, I liked "Dark Knight, Dark City" but it's angle was precisely that the Riddler was acting out of character.

The Riddler character himself is quite the puzzle.



 


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Posted: 26 October 2019 at 5:48am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

The problem for the writer to solve, when doing a Riddler story, is how you can match someone with an OCD that compels him to give clues before his capers. With the worlds greatest detective!

 
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In BATMAN 3D I had the Joker dismiss the Riddler as “a bus-and-truck version” of himself.

For those who might be unfamiliar, that’s a theatrical term for the road show production of a play.

I was a little surprised DC let me get away with it, but Archie Goodwin was my editor, and he was always a tiny bit subversive.

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